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Offline (Male) Josh @ Dreamland
Reply #15 Posted on: March 23, 2010, 09:31:51 PM

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Code::Blocks warns Vista users to install their own copy of MinGW because the one that comes with the release breaks on Vista at times.
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Reply #16 Posted on: March 23, 2010, 09:55:41 PM

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Vista isn't compatible with MinGW?  What?  It's compatible with 7.
7>XP>Vista
Vista sucks horribly. 7 fixed many of the issues of vista, so 7 runs more stuff better than vista.
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Reply #17 Posted on: March 24, 2010, 01:05:34 AM

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Vista isn't compatible with MinGW?  What?  It's compatible with 7.
7>XP>Vista
Vista sucks horribly. 7 fixed many of the issues of vista, so 7 runs more stuff better than vista.
Vista is fine stop being brainwashed by the media
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Reply #18 Posted on: March 24, 2010, 07:27:38 AM

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Eh, XP never lost everything from a save form except the size. I can go to save things sometimes and get an empty window border. Have to restart to fix it sometimes, too. That's Vista.

Win7 I hate almost as bad. They fixed the window issues, and they even stole some really nice ideas from Linux. They also stole Mac's dock, which I HATE. Talk about unnavigable. And to make things worse, they have 10x the number of ../ loops as XP. If you click "My Documents," you're taken to a libraries folder that includes "My Documents." It's almost impossible to get to "~/Downloads" because it's not on the start menu, it can't be added to the start menu sidebar where it should have been from square one, and trying to move to ../ from their linked "My Documents" will loop "Libraries/Documents" "Libraries" "Libraries/Documents" "Libraries," just like when "My Documents/.." led to "Desktop" on XP.

I hate their new operating systems so much. Frankly, I kind of like Vista better than 7.
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Reply #19 Posted on: March 24, 2010, 02:31:19 PM
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I prefer Vista to 7 too. 7, to me, was just Vista with the Mac dock and Libraries, both of which I don't like (same as Josh).

I have Ubuntu and would prefer to use it instead of Windows, if more programs worked with it (Wine or native, don't mind) and Youtube (Flash) performance wasn't abysmal (which HTML5 would fix had they decided not to make Firefox not work with it, by using h.264).
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Reply #20 Posted on: March 24, 2010, 04:38:26 PM

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well flash should get somewhat better with 10.1. I too prefer ubuntu and find mac's dock horrible... well it looks cool, but for all other purposes, horrible. After using it, linux seems much more advanced. APT = amazing. my fav. microsloth swindows version is XP. Vista is too slow.
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Reply #21 Posted on: March 24, 2010, 05:03:35 PM

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I haven't used 7, but I like the concept of libraries. If they were implemented well I think they could be extremely useful. I would go so far as to suggest a completely tag-based FS, at least for user files. Most people don't care about or don't even understand hierarchies.

You can't blame the HTML 5 standard for Mozilla's choice. It's their choice not to support h.264, and their reasoning is hilarious. Their public reasoning is just over-idealistic and stupid, while any other possible reasons are political.
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Reply #22 Posted on: March 24, 2010, 05:12:33 PM
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Rusky, you're wrong about h.264 and Mozilla. They can't get a license, because i) it would cost them several million dollars and ii) that only covers officially compiled versions. So if you wanted to build it yourself, or a Linux distro wanted to do it, or anyone wanted to fork it, it would not be covered. This does not mesh with open source development. Paying a fee for standards compatibility is not something I'd like to see. What if image tags required a $5M license to implement? Would images have been so successful and universal on the web?

Plus h.264 is only royalty-free for end-users on the internet until MPEG-LA say so. They could turn round and demand a fee as soon as the contract comes around for renewal. They'll wait until all internet video uses h.264 then they can legally charge what they like.

No, the web video used has got to be as freely licensed as possible, for practical reasons as well as ideological. Even if Theora can't do that, what about Google's VP3 (which they could open up) or the BBC's Dirac.
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Reply #23 Posted on: March 24, 2010, 08:15:10 PM

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Most video on the web is already encoded in H.264. H.264 is far superior to Theora anyway. Besides, a free format is no more a guarantee of free-ness than gif was- it's the same situation. The format is released for free, later someone tries to profit on some technology they claim it uses. It's pretty much impossible to design a codec without accidentally infringing someone's patent somewhere.

If you're not distributing the browser in a commercial context, you can use a free decoder like x264 and then there's no licensing problems for the browser. I'm not sure where Mozilla stands here, because I've heard both (they might be considered commercial because of Google sponsorship, in which case it falls under "political"- they claim to be all open and stuff, why not become non-commercial?) Then even if MPEG-LA tried to charge users or distributors, I doubt it would work. See what happened with gif- Unisys pretty much failed.

Basically, Mozilla should support H.264, at least where it's already on the computer, which is all Windows and Mac machines. They do the same thing with Flash, so they have no argument on ideological grounds. That way there is no possibility of license problems for them, and if we run into another gif-like situation, distributors will have a real reason to transcode all their video to something else. It's not the best situation, but the alternatives are no better. At least with MPEG-LA we know who might claim patent infringement.
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Reply #24 Posted on: March 25, 2010, 12:57:01 AM

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Eh, XP never lost everything from a save form except the size. I can go to save things sometimes and get an empty window border. Have to restart to fix it sometimes, too. That's Vista.

Win7 I hate almost as bad. They fixed the window issues, and they even stole some really nice ideas from Linux. They also stole Mac's dock, which I HATE. Talk about unnavigable. And to make things worse, they have 10x the number of ../ loops as XP. If you click "My Documents," you're taken to a libraries folder that includes "My Documents." It's almost impossible to get to "~/Downloads" because it's not on the start menu, it can't be added to the start menu sidebar where it should have been from square one, and trying to move to ../ from their linked "My Documents" will loop "Libraries/Documents" "Libraries" "Libraries/Documents" "Libraries," just like when "My Documents/.." led to "Desktop" on XP.

I hate their new operating systems so much. Frankly, I kind of like Vista better than 7.

Windows 7 didn't steal from Mac's dock, it's fundamentally different

And why would you hate a company's products for using things from something else, that's like hating HTC Sense, Android, Palm webOS, etc for implementing multitouch which Apple holds a patent on

Although I do agree that libraries is a pos
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Reply #25 Posted on: March 25, 2010, 05:12:52 AM

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I don't hate them for taking the idea, I hate them for taking the idea badly.

I don't see how it's different; I've used both operating systems. Windows' is slightly more functional than Mac's, but it inherits everything I don't like about the dock, namely ambiguity: Did I mean to open the current FireFox, or launch a new instance?

Also, after extended use, I find the half-ass-stolen feature to maximize your window when dragged to a certain location on the screen REALLY annoying. GNOME's was nice because it allowed you to drag a maximized window out of the way, and only re-maximized it if you dragged it back before letting go. Now every time I need to look at a lower window, I have to be careful not to drag it to the top. It's an easy habit to get into, really, it's just that they're supposed to be catering to veterans as well.

Oh, and did I mention that as I said a few years ago (and was duly flamed by someone, probably Rusky), they have finally done away with "File | Edit | View | History" in all their programs. This is funny because I was reading about the same time I started bitching this HUGE writeup on how consistency is what makes Windows so friendly, and they devoted large chunks of that document to the very menu they have now hidden. That menu was the only reason I could put up with programs, and now I need alt- to get to it. <_<
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Reply #26 Posted on: March 25, 2010, 10:12:34 AM

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I assume I can do all this in Windows 7, too. Correct?

Are you sure that you can't re-enable that menu again?

Please say yes...

Yes.

You can re-enable it. There's a setting for it. Alt>View>Toolbars>Menu Bar

I think you can. I've never been too disturbed with that feature, but I'm certain I saw a setting for disabling those things.
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Reply #27 Posted on: March 25, 2010, 11:34:18 AM

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I don't see how it's different; I've used both operating systems. Windows' is slightly more functional than Mac's, but it inherits everything I don't like about the dock, namely ambiguity: Did I mean to open the current FireFox, or launch a new instance?
First of all, I'm quite sure that you can disable that functionality in Windows 7.

Second of all, what you claim is an "ambiguity" is actually not ambiguous at all. Mac's windowing system is built on a different idea from Windows's and Linux's. Every application is pretty much a maximized MDI with a transparent background. You don't ever "launch a new instance". You start up the program or you make a new window. Whether you like this depends on taste, but I find it a lot nicer than Windows's and Linux's paradigm, and it's probably more user-friendly.

So it doesn't inherit ambiguity. It inherited a feature from Mac that was part of a coherent whole and shoved it onto a different paradigm, introducing that ambiguity. (Kind of like what you do when you try to combine GM and C++.)

Oh, and did I mention that as I said a few years ago (and was duly flamed by someone, probably Rusky), they have finally done away with "File | Edit | View | History" in all their programs. This is funny because I was reading about the same time I started bitching this HUGE writeup on how consistency is what makes Windows so friendly, and they devoted large chunks of that document to the very menu they have now hidden. That menu was the only reason I could put up with programs, and now I need alt- to get to it. <_<
I can't quite understand what you're saying with the extremely poorly written second half of that paragraph, but it sounds like you're saying that the ribbon interface makes things inconsistent. Actually, I would say that the ribbon interface makes things more consistent and easy to find than the old drop-down menu + toolbars paradigm, and trying to switch back to it is a silly idea.
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Reply #28 Posted on: March 25, 2010, 11:36:32 AM
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@Rusky

So you mean display h.264 video in the browser with the existing codec on Win/Mac machines? I agree that would solve the licensing, but isn't the point of <video> to avoid relying on an external and proprietary plugin for media (as Flash is now)? If I understand you, you want to replace the Flash plugin with some kind of Windows Media plugin.

MPEG-LA's terms do not care whether Mozilla is commercial or not. They specify that royalties are payable for any project above a certain number of users, which Mozilla and probably a lot of semi-forks like Linux FF versions are definitely above. What's more, if the version of FF you use hasn't had the fee paid on it then end users are liable for all damages.

Even shipping free software with x264 is liable. Using the copy of x264 on the machine is not because MS and Apple have already paid up and included it in the cost of the OS, but I think that subverts the purpose of <video> per above.

I've seen arguments either way on the quality of h.264 v. Theora. h.264 is probably more practical for now, but Theora will improve which h.264's licensing never will.






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Reply #29 Posted on: March 25, 2010, 11:45:11 AM
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Wow. I didn't think Windows 7 was this bad.

I have Vista at home, and I've changed the theme to the efficient Windows 98 style, instead of the Windows Aero theme, to make everything go faster. I've disabled many, many visual effects. I run CCleaner, MyDefrag, Mz Ram Booster, Eusing Registry Cleaner, and I close all unnnecessary processes using batch at each startup. I have as few windows open as possible. I've removed the dock to the right, and the desktop background as well. I've done every single thing to make sure my computer runs Windows Vista as efficiently as possible, but I do have a screen resolution of 1440*900, which is the only exception.

I assume I can do all this in Windows 7, too. Correct?
Hum, no. You can't use the classic Start menu, for instance.
I had a 98ed vista too, and I liked it, but Win 7 is ok, you can distinguish an open program from its icon
because if you mouse over an opened program's icon, it will change color.

Just one thing, I miss the button to go to the parent directory!

BTW you can disable unused processes once and for all using the services.msc configuration tool.
However, the performance increase in modern pcs is minimum.
If you mean other programs running at startup, CCleaner has a tool to disable them.
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