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Reply #30 Posted on: August 16, 2009, 12:05:22 PM

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in terms of AMD vs Intel it depends on what your doing. Intel is great for a little bit of gaming and excellent for Devving while AMD is a gaming powerhouse (Although I'm drooling of the i7 right now) and is also good for a little bit Devving.
AMD is wonderful because it actually is efficient and doesn't overheat as easily, even when overclocked (you still need a good fan, though, but that's it for the most part).  Intel might give you a slight bit more power, but overheats like hell if it gives it to you, and people go nuts over liquid cooling systems and crap just for a tiny bit more power.

I wouldn't be drooling over the i7.

Anyways, let's stop and let Josh talk about his wonderful progress.
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Reply #31 Posted on: August 16, 2009, 02:27:35 PM

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First. Lol.

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wtf. My little bro just asked me to bake him a hot pocket.

I cringed when I saw "first", I still don't understand your signature, and that post looks like those random hallucinations and meaningless thoughts you get just before you sleep.
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Reply #32 Posted on: August 16, 2009, 04:03:51 PM
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in terms of AMD vs Intel it depends on what your doing. Intel is great for a little bit of gaming and excellent for Devving while AMD is a gaming powerhouse (Although I'm drooling of the i7 right now) and is also good for a little bit Devving.
AMD is wonderful because it actually is efficient and doesn't overheat as easily, even when overclocked (you still need a good fan, though, but that's it for the most part).  Intel might give you a slight bit more power, but overheats like hell if it gives it to you, and people go nuts over liquid cooling systems and crap just for a tiny bit more power.

I wouldn't be drooling over the i7.

Anyways, let's stop and let Josh talk about his wonderful progress.

You obviously didn't understand what I was saying, get your head out of your butt and listen.

1) I love AMD processors, however I understand that they aren't necessarily good for devving
2) I'm willing to set aside my pride and purchase an Intel processor for devving purposes
3) The core i7 is an excellent processor, saying otherwise would be blasphemous.
4) Refer to statement

and yes I agree lets let Josh update this.

Pentium 4 isn't multi-core. If you compare processors with the same number of cores, it's a lot closer, although other factors do affect it.

Meant Pentium D. Still think I'm right on that.


P4 HT, Not physically Multi core however
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Reply #33 Posted on: August 16, 2009, 08:08:50 PM

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3) The core i7 is an excellent processor, saying otherwise would be blasphemous.
I never said it was bad.  I just said it was not as good as a Phenom II for price/effort reasons.  If you're willing to put out a ton of money and effort just to get a tiny bit better than a Phenom II, then by all means, go for it.

Also, Josh, Fedora working yet?
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Reply #34 Posted on: August 17, 2009, 06:53:45 AM
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Look. AMD and Intel are equally good for dev work, don't know where you got otherwise from. They are similar in real power consumption, ignore the wattage ratings as AMD is more conservative. All that matters is price, and performance, of the whole platform (since good AMD mobos are cheaper).

Here is the value chart. As you can see, an AMD system is slightly better value where they are competing, and above that you pay a large premium for faster performance with the i7 line. If you need an i7 for workstation, CPU-intensive tasks then it's worth it; if you game, AMD's are often faster than the i7s and the system price is cheaper.

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/17402/4

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Reply #35 Posted on: August 17, 2009, 08:51:24 AM

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I've tried several AMD processors, and I've tried Intel, and AMD just seems to work better for me.  Cores only matter if it's optimized for the cores, and it can be optimized for a certain kind of processor as well.  Also, the graphics card can be a serious factor as well on games as well, and the motherboard might affect the graphics a bit as well.  I doubt they all have the same mobo, so it's a biased test.  Get a simple program that does some calculations and returns the time it took and use that as a benchmark; not how fast each computer can play Crysis.

Hey, Josh, so, how is Fedora working out?
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Reply #36 Posted on: August 17, 2009, 10:38:01 AM

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I've tried several AMD processors, and I've tried Intel, and AMD just seems to work better for me.  Cores only matter if it's optimized for the cores, and it can be optimized for a certain kind of processor as well.  Also, the graphics card can be a serious factor as well on games as well, and the motherboard might affect the graphics a bit as well.  I doubt they all have the same mobo, so it's a biased test.  Get a simple program that does some calculations and returns the time it took and use that as a benchmark; not how fast each computer can play Crysis.
You're boring me now. And that takes a lot to achieve.
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Reply #37 Posted on: August 17, 2009, 10:57:44 AM
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Get a simple program that does some calculations and returns the time it took and use that as a benchmark; not how fast each computer can play Crysis.

There is such a thing. SuperPI. It calculates pi. And it heavily favours Intel chips, by a huge margin compared to what we see in real-world use. AMD is more ahead in games. If you can't produce numbers to back your position up... I am an AMD fan. I want to see AMD competitive with Intel. But I am completely against unsourced claims on either side.

SO JOSH HOW IS FEDORA
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Reply #38 Posted on: August 17, 2009, 03:33:36 PM

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Fedora isn't working at all, and the more I fight with it the angrier it gets.

I'm gonna reinstall the OS at some point, but for now I'm just working on the parser.
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Reply #39 Posted on: August 18, 2009, 12:57:12 AM

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SO JOSH HOW IS TOP HAT
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Reply #40 Posted on: August 18, 2009, 07:17:29 AM

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I know a certain someone with a top hat fetish.

He also starves bugs to death, though.

Progress:
Parser does everything it used to. Only better, of course, due to extensibility via the CFile parser.
Oh, which means I lied. The parser doesn't support var yet, because var's not a primitive. I'm considering treating it like one, though, so var.whatever never accesses a member of var. Perhaps instead I'll make var's members private, and make sure the parser doesn't abduct any private members.

If you people need something to argue about, I can probably give one of my old controversies that making ENIGMA totally support C has solved... heheheh.
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Reply #41 Posted on: August 19, 2009, 10:23:59 AM

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I know a certain someone with a top hat fetish.
That XKCD character?
He also starves bugs to death, though.
Sign of a good programmer ;)

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Reply #42 Posted on: August 19, 2009, 10:04:23 PM

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Progress:
I'm signed up for all the courses I wanted at the local university.
Also, beginning the cross-communication cycle between the parsers. (Or pieces of parsers).

Storm's abrewin'.

Nothing earth shattering, sorry. Mostly boring things; making sure hex works. Trying nested statements and parentheses. Making sure none of the optimizations and generalizations I make kill anything.

Good thing I like parsers. ^_^
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Reply #43 Posted on: August 21, 2009, 12:14:18 PM

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Good thing I like parsers. ^_^

Good thing you like fake, hard-coded, inflexible, unreadable, take-forever-to-write parsers.

Seriously, why aren't you using a tree?
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Reply #44 Posted on: August 21, 2009, 07:47:11 PM

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Seriously, why aren't you using a tree?
Because when you strike the tree with lightning, it falls on your house.
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