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Offline (Male) cheeseboy
Posted on: May 01, 2019, 08:04:22 AM

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Josh and Robert have now decided being nice takes priority over progressing the project. Despite the fact noone does more to help new users set up enigma than me, they've taken it upon themselves to ban me from the main discords channel. Robert's now approaching 1 year on finishing something that should've taken a few days. Josh has pushed an update to JDI just in time for the 10 year anniversary. And TKG has rewritten the same dialog system for 20th time. Meanwhile, I've made huge efforts to bootstrap the IDE, write a new file format, implement MSVC, Android and HTML5 support as well as starting the CI to ensure less breaks. However. none of that is appreciated. I can't get even a little help. Even when I practically beg for it. Instead I'm banned for being an "annoying asshole."

I've removed my account from discord and removed myself from the organization on Github. TKG, and all the other people incapable of taking a joke can now rejoice in your "safe space."

I'm sorry I ever cared.
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Reply #1 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 08:47:47 AM

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well, if this indeed is true this time, i for one am sorry for you to be gone. Your contributions have indeed been of tremendous help, no one will/should deny that fact but unfortunately, your conduct and behavior did clash with others and so in a democracy, the majority rules.


i for one will miss you as I have missed TKG and others who have left. I like diversity, of course to a point and depending on circumstance.
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Reply #2 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 09:26:30 AM

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The question constantly begged was, what are we losing out on when you insist on harassing everyone who enters the channel? Some people put up with you, and some people don't. We've lost a lot of good people in the drama you created.

Your contributions are recognized and appreciated, and are the reason that I ignored request after request to ban you. But enough is enough. You're the reason I frequently take hiatuses, and most of the reason Robert is never on the main Discord. The last time you chased me off in one of your fits, forthevin and canthelp left. Now there's another. And at the point where one of the most talented people to show up and contribute to the project leaves two weeks later because he can't tolerate you, it's time to take action.

I'm not thrilled about getting rid of you, because unlike most, you were capable of being a leader. But there are ways of motivating people to do things to further the project—leading them—that don't involve harassing them. Until you can employ those tactics, I don't want you bothering people in the main channel anymore.
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Reply #3 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 09:49:01 AM

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You're misremembering several things. a) I've never even talked to forethevin he was hardly ever on IRC. b) I got along with canthelp and he was annoyed by you not me. c) I'm not not responsible for all your problems.

Far more people have left the project due to your commit rate than in response to anything I've done.
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Reply #4 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 10:58:24 AM

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Get this bleeped innuendo garbage out of announcements.
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I think it was Leonardo da Vinci who once said something along the lines of "If you build the robots, they will make games." or something to that effect.

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Reply #5 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 11:02:58 AM

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Nope it's announcement. I've left the discord so now its safe for you to run in circles getting nothing important done without any criticism
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Reply #6 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 11:24:18 AM

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In all honesty, you are right about this. I have done nothing more than write and re-write the dialogs. I haven't done much else. You have done an incredidible amount to help this project and its community. If i knew i would be by an means a single reason for them to make this decision i wouldnt have left discord and I myself would have tried much harder to be nicer to you. I was never happy with the idea of you leaving. I have said stuff on the contrary in moments of rage but quite honestly i never would've looked forward to a topic like this and i did try to reconcile by distancing myself not just for my sake but also yours. I didn't know that would contribute to such a whiplash decision on Josh and Robert's part, and like i have told both you and them on the contrary to my angry behaviors i do care about you and do not hate you and have no reason to think anything negative of you. You're a classic prankster, and you are right i didnt and might still not know how to take a joke. I'm sorry that created such a huge problem for everyone here, but i highly doubt anyone got at it with you as badly as i did. I said more awful things to you probably more so than anyone on this earth ever has, I'm ashamed to admit.


I feel guilty about this, and I'm well aware i deserve to feel guilty. I'm sorry my conscience didn't kick in near enough to keep things afloat.
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Reply #7 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 01:18:38 PM

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so uh.. like..

"I'm not not responsible for all your problems."

Fundies, we're not responsible for your problems either.
and it's not a case of being nice or being a safe space. There's a difference between being critical to a reasonable point and helping progress, and being toxic and making people feel annoyed and avoid the server.

For a while I was avoiding the discord because you'd constantly @ me, and i know several others were in the same situation.

Also, bigging yourself up and saying about how you got so much done, and that everyone is "taking so long" is a bit of a dick move. I have reason to believe other peoples' work is to a higher standard than yours (though it's not much in terms of evidence so I won't say i'm fully right because in all fairness it is true that you've done a lot for the project)

Alas, just because you get a lot of work done, doesn't mean it's not beneficial to sort of corner you off in the server -- also you're not banned, you were just restricted to your own channel so people could actually DISCUSS engima without you getting on their case.

I get that you're most of the time trying to poke fun, but there's a difference between poking fun and laughing at people getting annoyed, and poking fun and having everyone laugh with you.

tl;dr: grow up fundies lol

(oh also "I'm sorry I ever cared." is very passive aggressive, guilt-trippy, and uncalled for. don't social engineer like this just for the sake of it)
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Reply #8 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 01:19:21 PM

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Just amending this for the non-Discord users, I really had no part in this, I didn't even talk to Josh at all about this decision. I've just been working on OpenGL ES support which fundies asked me to do, and I think is a good idea (still a work in progress and we're having discussions over Discord about it if people want to weigh in).
https://github.com/enigma-dev/enigma-dev/commit/d709b7642a74b14b0590ccc7297bf154a1a6d4c4

Despite that, I have no remorse for fundies with respect to the decision that was made. He wasn't even actually banned, just confined to his own channel within the server, which he's still allowed to log into and post to. Yet he's overreacting this way. He's also poisoned the entire Discord server to where multiple people want to hide from him or are just sick of being pinged. Nobody has done anything to fundies, and we've even tried to help him in various ways.

This is my second most active year on GitHub with quality control way up since my most active year (2014/1500 commits). I have reached excessive levels of efficiency here and I don't have to take this garbage.
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I think it was Leonardo da Vinci who once said something along the lines of "If you build the robots, they will make games." or something to that effect.

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Reply #9 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 01:36:15 PM

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Nobody has done anything to fundies

I have, and to the point not only was i the world's biggest jerk/idiot to say the things i did i even created quite a show for everyone. As for everyone else, it's hard to say, I wasn't there recently. Some things i did were so awful im too embarrassed to repeat it. but we all know here what I did anyway.
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Reply #10 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 01:41:35 PM

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Doesn't matter, fundies doesn't actually care about that. This entire post is a giant manipulative tactic for him to continue doing what he does, and he's mad that it's not working.
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I think it was Leonardo da Vinci who once said something along the lines of "If you build the robots, they will make games." or something to that effect.

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Reply #11 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 01:44:40 PM

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considering I'm one of only 3 people he brought up and complained about in the OP says something. But you're right, whether he brought me up for that reason is another matter. I'll just leave this topic alone now.
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Reply #12 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 04:06:54 PM

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This is my second most active year on GitHub with quality control way up since my most active year (2014/1500 commits). I have reached excessive levels of efficiency here and I don't have to take this garbage.

Yes, you've shuffled the same code around a lot congrats.

For a while I was avoiding the discord because you'd constantly @ me, and i know several others were in the same situation.

I only pinged people a) who I wanted to talk to. b) I've been waiting literal years on for something

Also, bigging yourself up and saying about how you got so much done, and that everyone is "taking so long" is a bit of a dick move. I have reason to believe other peoples' work is to a higher standard than yours (though it's not much in terms of evidence so I won't say i'm fully right because in all fairness it is true that you've done a lot for the project)

99% of Robert's work is redoing code he already wrote poorly and 100% of it can be can said for Josh. It's nice when they clean things up but there is no reason for it to take literal years. Anything that's been added to ENIGMA in past few years, It's likely I am either directly responsible or played a big part in it. It's not just my ego speaking that's a fact.


Alas, just because you get a lot of work done, doesn't mean it's not beneficial to sort of corner you off in the server -- also you're not banned, you were just restricted to your own channel so people could actually DISCUSS engima without you getting on their case.

That's like saying people in jail aren't banned from society because they can still call their mom. I helped a user with setup problems in #general just a few days ago and I've helped people with setup and gml/edl questions more times than I can count. If anyone asks a question I'm the first to help there but in the downtime I enjoy talking about other things. I will shit on useless changes like redesigning the event selector or the same bullshit being refactored for the 10th time. I would love to praise Josh or Robert for contributing something new in a timely matter but that'd be akin to finding big foot or a unicorn.

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Reply #13 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 05:35:24 PM

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99% of Robert's work is redoing code he already wrote poorly and 100% of it can be can said for Josh
That is 90% of what software engineers DO or Josh wouldn't tell me about other people's code he's always refactoring at work. Nothing works right when anybody first starts it, it takes time, that's what incremental software engineering is. Your forum title, "fucking moron", is RIGHTLY owed to you.
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I think it was Leonardo da Vinci who once said something along the lines of "If you build the robots, they will make games." or something to that effect.

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Reply #14 Posted on: May 01, 2019, 06:54:38 PM

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99% of Robert's work is redoing code he already wrote poorly and 100% of it can be can said for Josh
That is 90% of what software engineers DO or Josh wouldn't tell me about other people's code he's always refactoring at work. Nothing works right when anybody first starts it, it takes time, that's what incremental software engineering is. Your forum title, "fucking moron", is RIGHTLY owed to you.

Nothing you write works properly first time but that's just the case for you. It's not that hard to make a plan and do it right the first time, only a "fucking moron" would spend 7 years rewriting the same thing 20x.
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