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Offline (Male) HitCoder
Posted on: August 16, 2014, 02:21:49 PM

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Hi, I'm new here, but I have been using Game Maker since 2006.
(Not sure if this is the right forum to post this in, sorry if not.)
I recently discovered Enigma, as I was trying to find a Linux version of Game Maker.
Anyway, I wanted to suggest a few things, not sure if they're too difficult to implement, or whether they're even intended to be implemented in future.

1) Windows phone compilation support - I can then make games for my phone, lol.
2) Program compatibility with Windows phone - I want to work on my projects portably (Not desperate for this.)
3) Multi-user online editing - I want to get my dev team working on this project, but it kinda makes it difficult that we have to pass the file around   
    over skype. (Again, I can just about cope without this)
4) Improvement to Game Maker project compatability - Seriously, there are too many functions that I can't use on Enigma that I used to frequently
    use on Game Maker (Eg: execute_file) (I am aware I can implement Lua into Enigma somehow to solve this, but I'm too lazy to read the   
    instructions all the way through)
5) Fixed GEX support, or atleast implement it. (I see the feature is "there", but it doesn't function. Are you going to implement it, or not, lol.)

Other than that, Enigma is by far a preference over Game Maker. Good work fixing up LateralGM how you have so far, and I can't wait to see more of the good stuff in future.   :D
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Reply #1 Posted on: August 16, 2014, 03:14:46 PM

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3) Multi-user online editing - I want to get my dev team working on this project, but it kinda makes it difficult that we have to pass the file around   
    over skype. (Again, I can just about cope without this)

The proper solution is to use a revision control system, such as Git, Mercurial, or Subversion. This goes for any other programming as well.
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Reply #2 Posted on: August 16, 2014, 03:55:24 PM

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Ok, thank you, I will look into it.
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Reply #3 Posted on: August 23, 2014, 10:11:34 AM

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Actually execute_file/execute_string are deprecated for Studio as well but are possible with our new compiler using compiler scripts.
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I think it was Leonardo da Vinci who once said something along the lines of "If you build the robots, they will make games." or something to that effect.

Offline (Male) HitCoder
Reply #4 Posted on: August 25, 2014, 07:38:25 AM

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Ah, that's interesting. I'll see how I can mess with the source. Lol.
Also, is it possible to install GM extensions on Enigma?
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Reply #5 Posted on: August 25, 2014, 08:58:56 AM

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Not currently no, that needs worked out.
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Reply #6 Posted on: August 25, 2014, 10:47:33 AM

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I haven't worked on the project in a long time, but we discussed all this stuff back in the day, so I thought I'd give my two cents on what we determined:

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1) Windows phone compilation support - I can then make games for my phone, lol.
This is feasible. We've worked on iOS and android support. Windows phone would be the next step, but I think just getting iOS and android working again would be a higher priority, since they are easier.
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2) Program compatibility with Windows phone - I want to work on my projects portably (Not desperate for this.)
This is unlikely. Even though LateralGM is written in Java, so technically it could work on any platform, it is targeted as a desktop application, with full mouse and keyboard support required. There are drag gestures and key-mouse combos and special key (like ctrl) frequently depended on throughout the application. If you want to develop on the go, get a laptop.
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3) Multi-user online editing - I want to get my dev team working on this project, but it kinda makes it difficult that we have to pass the file around   
    over skype. (Again, I can just about cope without this)
This is planned. As Onpon said, the solution is to use a SCM (version control), such as Git. The issue that GM faces is that their file format is binary, which does not version/diff well; it works best with textual files. Fortunately, here at ENIGMA Corp, we've been researching and investigating textual technologies, and have come up with a few solutions. First and foremest, we have the EGM format (currently alpha). This format is designed to store every resource in its own textual file, called an E-Yaml file, with any data that is necessarily binary (such as images) stored separately. However, EGM is designed to get compressed, which just converts all the data back into binary again, but we have designed an uncompressed version so that you can use version control. Additionally, there was a project call LgmScm, which was a plugin for LateralGM the would port your code into an SCM-friendly format and add basic SCM integration (independent of whichever SCM system you chose). I don't recall whatever happened to it, but I'm sure it will get looked at again once EGM is more stable.
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4) Improvement to Game Maker project compatability - Seriously, there are too many functions that I can't use on Enigma that I used to frequently
    use on Game Maker (Eg: execute_file) (I am aware I can implement Lua into Enigma somehow to solve this, but I'm too lazy to read the   
    instructions all the way through)
So, the big hurdle here is that execute_file requires something able to parse and interpret said file and inject that code into the game. This is an issue because unlike GameMaker, ENIGMA is compiled, not interpreted. We convert your internal game code into C++ code and then send it off to the C++ compiler (gcc), once and done. This requires a full suite of tools installed on the developer's machine - mainly gcc. We can't expect players to have gcc, because they're not developers, and gcc is huge, so we can't just ship it with the game.
Fortunately, here at ENIGMA Corp, we've been researching and investigating interprative technologies, and have come up with a few solutions. First and foremost, I think we have some sort of fancy Javascript engine that Josh wrote that can apparently read and interpret GM code, since it's mostly Javascript friendly, and can then pass that back to the game for integration. Josh can probably tell you more, or there might be a doc for it or something somewhere, or someone else might know more.
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5) Fixed GEX support, or atleast implement it. (I see the feature is "there", but it doesn't function. Are you going to implement it, or not, lol.)
The issue with GEX is that it's often used for packaging a DLL with your game. DLLs are windows only. They are not cross-platform. Linux uses .SO files, and mac has I think a DYLIB. None of these formats are compatible (and for good reasons, since they often directly access things in the OS). We can workaround this a little bit by packaging a version for each in your GEX (so it will have all 3 - a dll, a so, and a dylib), which is more or less the plan. It'll still restrict the oparating systems that can play your game, or at least that can use the GEX extensions (so you may not be able to play your game at all on most mobile devices if it has a GEX), but it's better than no DLL support at all. It's also quite possible that we'll create our own GEX-like format, since GEX is property of GM, and if we had our own we could do more with it.

Anyways, thanks for the suggestions. They are great reminders to continue working on these side things that are often outside the scope of the main codebase.
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Reply #7 Posted on: August 28, 2014, 08:12:12 AM

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On the JavaScript interpreter—that's correct, but the real core of the problem is that we don't include symbols in compiled games. Meaning you can't get your code back in any way, shape, or form from an ENIGMA executable. To allow you to access those things from JavaScript transpiled EDL,  we'd need to include them, which is a security risk and would have to be made an option. That in itself is a ton of effort, and so we're just not doing it right now.

Windows Phone isn't on the radar, though dazappa (here daz) has been working to get Android working from Windows, which is a huge step in that direction. We're unlikely to ever let you code on a Windows phone. Android is at least feasible, since someone will eventually get arbitrary swing applications working on Android devices. In the meantime, support for mobile editing isn't planned outside of laptops or full Linux distributions on tablets.
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Reply #8 Posted on: September 10, 2014, 11:22:21 AM

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Thank you all very much for the replies. I wish you luck on the development, and I like the idea of a custom extension format.   :)
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