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Reply #15 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 12:44:19 AM
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lol - then you must not be a fan of WinBlowJobs 8....when they shafted desktop users by forcing a gay mobile interface down their bloody throats ..... I call it the N.O.M.M.F.D syndrome (Not On My MFing Desktop). Hopefully with Windows 9 coming out in 2015 they will have learned not to merge mobile fagness into desktop.  Long live windows 7.

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Reply #16 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 01:36:14 AM

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I don't really care about your opinion on Mac's right click functionality, just the false claims.
I never made any.

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Further, OS X is much more stable on Apple hardware than <insert OS here> on <insert hardware here>, so dual booting on a Mac is strictly better compatibility-wise than dual booting with hackintosh.
I don't disagree, that's not really that unexpected however, of course it runs better on the hardware they designed, tested, and anticipated it to run on.

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The effect of these differences may or may not be a big deal for your use case, but when it does make a difference and you need those features, you'll pay the same for hardware whether you go with a Mac or not.
Woz is the bigger man in every regard, I do like Apple just not their products. Regardless of how you feel about patent rights etc etc there has been a lot of nice innovation come out of Apple, see the magnetic power cords.

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Mac's are still good machines but a little bit overpriced,
They've always been overpriced, this is nothing new, see Lisa.

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This philosophy continues to be a big part of Apple's R&D:
You never cease to amaze me, you always know just the right thing to say like 99% of the time.

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From a structure standpoint, OS X is vastly superior to Windows.
Because it's fucking BSD/Linux, so of course it's superior to Windows.

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What kind of fucktard makes a desktop look and behave like a phone?
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I think it was Leonardo da Vinci who once said something along the lines of "If you build the robots, they will make games." or something to that effect.

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Reply #17 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 02:00:21 AM

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lol - then you must not be a fan of WinBlowJobs 8....when they shafted desktop users by forcing a gay mobile interface down their bloody throats ..... I call it the N.O.M.M.F.D syndrome (Not On My MFing Desktop). Hopefully with Windows 9 coming out in 2015 they will have learned not to merge mobile fagness into desktop.  Long live windows 7.

Wouldn't know, the last windows I have used is windows7, a vast improvement over the steaming pile of shit Vista was, and yet made me miss XP. Every time they "innovate", they make me glad I switched to Gnu-Linux some years ago, not only I'm virus free, but also adware, spyware, trojans, worms and whatnot. And in top of that I get tons of professional grade software for free! Blender, Gimp, Inkscape, LibreOffice, and lots and lots more I don't use (actually blender haven't been able to really use it for lack of ram  :( )

About rapping your user base's throats with a mobile interface on a desktop, M$ didn't innovate, they only did what Ubuntu did first with their fucktarded Unity. Boy was that an ugly, useless, convoluted, overcomplicated desktop experience, it was this shit along with a series of mysterious crashes ( a la BSOD) that made me start testing distros again after more than 5 years of sticking with ubuntu. If not for the stupid policy Debian has of not making the users life easier (when ubuntu and others have demonstrated it is possible), and their constant two to 5 years outdated repositories (for the stable release) it would be the ultimate distro (in my opinion); so I settled on LinuxMint; a descendant of ubuntu, that, inspite of it's genetics, works better than it's mother and has cinnamon and mate as default installs, tried both and ended preferring cinnamon, that's a Unity without the retarded bits.  :D
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Reply #18 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 10:05:13 AM

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Robert- I was calling out the thread in general, not you in particular.

Of course you'll spend a bit less building the same machine yourself, I never claimed otherwise. But for many people (IT departments, people without the time to learn how to build a PC, experts in other fields that need to do their real jobs, etc) that's not an option, so they pay for having it put together. That applies whether you get a Mac or not, and when you compare a pre-built Mac to a pre-built PC with the same specs, you'll get the same price. When you compare custom-built PC to pre-built Mac with the same specs you'll still get pretty close. In my experience a lot of the savings of building your own PC is from being able to build exactly what you want rather than having to overshoot.
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Reply #19 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 11:16:06 AM

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Sadly Apple products are not customizable when you buy them, so I cannot compare 1:1 with a regular PC. And Apple has a "niche" in art and whatnot (diminishing though), because people don't really buy macs for office desktop or gaming. You can by a decent office PC for 400$, and a VERY decent gaming PC for 1500$, while the cheapest Mac Pro was 2999$, and no, it wasn't 33% faster. I would say you can build a performance wise comparable PC about 20% cheaper than an equivalent mac.
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Reply #20 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 11:25:09 AM

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Mac Pros are relatively customizable just like other towers (maybe a bit less with the motherboard), and Mac laptops and all-in-ones are no less customizable than PC versions of the same product. There's no need to perpetuate the myth of Macs as over-priced, non-customizable, locked-down machines. iOS devices sure, but Macs are just high-end machines with fancy designs- get a $2999 PC and it won't be 33% faster than a $1500 PC either.

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Reply #21 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 12:33:46 PM

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Rusky is so excited he just can't hide it. It's okay Rusky, we know you're an Apple fan deep down, we still love you. :D
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Reply #22 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 01:04:31 PM

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, but Macs are just high-end machines with fancy designs- get a $2999 PC and it won't be 33% faster than a $1500 PC either.
It might, because you could easily buy more ram, sli a GPU or two. Can you have 2 Titans in SLI in Mac? Can you even have Nvidia cards in a Mac? Apple themselves don't provide that. So things like CUDA for scientific stuff is off the table. That is why Mac's are not used for science, even though Apple tries to prove otherwise in their public material.
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Reply #23 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 01:18:17 PM

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Rusky is so excited he just can't hide it. It's okay Rusky, we know you're an Apple fan deep down, we still love you. :D

LOL!  ;D

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, but Macs are just high-end machines with fancy designs- get a $2999 PC and it won't be 33% faster than a $1500 PC either.
It might, because you could easily buy more ram, sli a GPU or two. Can you have 2 Titans in SLI in Mac? Can you even have Nvidia cards in a Mac? Apple themselves don't provide that. So things like CUDA for scientific stuff is off the table. That is why Mac's are not used for science, even though Apple tries to prove otherwise in their public material.

In my humble opinion there are 3 main reasons why somebody would buy a MAC:

1.- Some one convinced you it's the ultimate machine, with the ultimate OS and none of the weaknes of Windoze (This presuposes you know didly squat about linux).

2.- You work as a graphic designer/digital artist/designing publications or something along those lines, the software you use works on MAC or on Windoze and you don't want to risk viruses and all the other fauna of windoze.

3.- To show off that you have a great looking (no denying that) machine, that you can afford it, that you're cool, etc.

My humble opinion is that only number 2 is a real reason, but I could be wrong, and there could be other reasons why someone would buy a MAC.
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Reply #24 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 01:23:59 PM

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Steve is already there, since I mean he's dead so.. I've heared rumors of Bill's death, but I think it's just an internet prank.

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Edsquare I completely agree with your above post. Most people do it out of the ignorance, "sexy" and "slick" look, and of course "bragging rights" associated with being well off and able to afford the expensive brandname. As for the virus argument, if everything you want to download is on the Ubuntu Software Center, screw crapple, no virus issue just that easy (Linux has much less virus issues than Mac).
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Reply #25 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 02:32:36 PM
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2.- You work as a graphic designer/digital artist/designing publications or something along those lines, the software you use works on MAC or on Windoze and you don't want to risk viruses and all the other fauna of windoze.

Actually this was quite true ages ago, and not only that, for film editors.   There was a time where you could never dare think of using NLE (non linear editing) software on a PC back in the days......MAC was industry standard for film makers. 

But things have changed quite a lot and software has gone long ways now.  I've personally been in that industry and done some very labour intensive work (audio/visual / non linear editing, rendering, etc....) on a PC and never had stability issues.  It all comes down to choosing the right PC components......quality power supply, quality RAM, quality motherboard & chipset, quality motherboard components, etc.etc.... Most people I know in the field used MACs, but a lot now use PCs, including myself.  But still know some people using MACs.

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My humble opinion is that only number 2 is a real reason, but I could be wrong, and there could be other reasons why someone would buy a MAC.

Some people really amaze me when they use the virus/malware as an argument not knowing that it was a myth that MACs are immune from those, there is documented proof otherwise.....if MAC took a large part of the market things would be different.
There were valid reasons I agree, SHITTY OS, SHITTY stability for the part.  Luckily I had the means to buy decent hardware when I began doing audio, video, graphic, edit work.....but had I rewound many many years earlier I would have definitely done that on a MAC.

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Reply #26 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 02:37:48 PM
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Steve is already there, since I mean he's dead so.. I've heared rumors of Bill's death, but I think it's just an internet prank.

:P
I think Bill will end up there first, not Steve :D  Bill for giving us Win VISTA and for all the scandals and fiasco he carried with it.  Guess we can't blame him for Wincrap 8 and the genius idea to merge mobile / tablet into PC desktop :P but anyhow.
Bill donated lot of money and did good so yeah, he's probably making some OSes in some parallel universe :D

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Edsquare I completely agree with your above post. Most people do it out of the ignorance, "sexy" and "slick" look, and of course "bragging rights" associated with being well off and able to afford the expensive brandname.

Yeah the type of people who judge looks and what's on the outside and brag about their "b0x"....Can't stand those people.  I know people around me who spend more money on their bloody case than what's inside it's crazy......$1000 case, leds, lights, :P

I focus on what's INSIDE, my case is just a standard beige tower LOL! FUCK the bloody looks I rather brag about what's inside it than the outside look and whoever is not happy with it can kiss my arse! :D

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As for the virus argument, if everything you want to download is on the Ubuntu Software Center, screw crapple, no virus issue just that easy (Linux has much less virus issues than Mac).

I agree with this 100%
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Reply #27 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 02:52:42 PM

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Steve is already there, since I mean he's dead so.. I've heared rumors of Bill's death, but I think it's just an internet prank.

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Edsquare I completely agree with your above post. Most people do it out of the ignorance, "sexy" and "slick" look, and of course "bragging rights" associated with being well off and able to afford the expensive brandname. As for the virus argument, if everything you want to download is on the Ubuntu Software Center, screw crapple, no virus issue just that easy (Linux has much less virus issues than Mac).

Actually, is not that linux/bsd/hurd are really inmune to viruses (although in linux given the design and a correct use of it (never navigate with the administrator but with a user) you can kiis them good bye, it's more the built in security and the lack of interest on the people that make the viruses.

2.- You work as a graphic designer/digital artist/designing publications or something along those lines, the software you use works on MAC or on Windoze and you don't want to risk viruses and all the other fauna of windoze.

Actually this was quite true ages ago, and not only that, for film editors.   There was a time where you could never dare think of using NLE (non linear editing) software on a PC back in the days......MAC was industry standard for film makers. 

But things have changed quite a lot and software has gone long ways now.  I've personally been in that industry and done some very labour intensive work (audio/visual / non linear editing, rendering, etc....) on a PC and never had stability issues.  It all comes down to choosing the right PC components......quality power supply, quality RAM, quality motherboard & chipset, quality motherboard components, etc.etc.... Most people I know in the field used MACs, but a lot now use PCs, including myself.  But still know some people using MACs.

The fact of the matter is that the most of the same software that runs on MAC now exists for windoze, although linux has free alternatives they are not the swiss army knife you may be used to, sometimes having to resort to 2, 3, or more applications to do the same stuff you did on your mac software, this coupled with the time you nedd to learn 3 different tools instead of keep using the same one on windoze gives the latter the edge against linux.

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My humble opinion is that only number 2 is a real reason, but I could be wrong, and there could be other reasons why someone would buy a MAC.

Some people really amaze me when they use the virus/malware as an argument not knowing that it was a myth that MACs are immune from those, there is documented proof otherwise.....if MAC took a large part of the market things would be different.
There were valid reasons I agree, SHITTY OS, SHITTY stability for the part.  Luckily I had the means to buy decent hardware when I began doing audio, video, graphic, edit work.....but had I rewound many many years earlier I would have definitely done that on a MAC.

It's not a mith, for every real mac virus you find there are tousands for windoze, most of which you can avoid with a good antivirus and good IT practices but... most people can't be bottered to learn, my nephew and niece keep my sister's pc flooded with malware, why? Because they just go and download from softonic, softpedia and the like, they navigate and open anything so I have to go to my sister's house every 2-3 months and eliminate about 300 infections, fuck! one time there were over a TOUSAND!

So yes, MAC does help people stay safe from malware, but the cost is prohibitive for most, and even university professors say "why do you have linux on your laptop? Don't you know it's a piece of shit?" True story one of my nephew's professors told him so.  :o

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Reply #28 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 05:15:07 PM

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But for many people (IT departments, people without the time to learn how to build a PC, experts in other fields that need to do their real jobs, etc) that's not an option, so they pay for having it put together. That applies whether you get a Mac or not, and when you compare a pre-built Mac to a pre-built PC with the same specs, you'll get the same price. When you compare custom-built PC to pre-built Mac with the same specs you'll still get pretty close. In my experience a lot of the savings of building your own PC is from being able to build exactly what you want rather than having to overshoot.

This I actually agree with. Anyway, most of my complaints are about how shitty the design is, I am not arguing customizability or anything, which I still find a valid argument though. Xcode is shit too, I really hate Xcode for reasons Josh pointed out.
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Reply #29 Posted on: July 31, 2014, 07:37:37 PM

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square I thought Linux was your personal fuck-buddy! :D
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