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Offline (Unknown gender) Darkstar2
Reply #15 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 04:26:18 PM
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What a load of horse fucking manure. :D

Would someone with faith and beliefs necessarily be uneducated and less so than others ? that is most fucked up thing I read in a while, I'd love to see those studies and any credibility they have and the sample data they used.........  Some of the world's most vicious terro***ts (had to * to avoid tripping NSA flags :D) and fanatic religious person have continued their education and university grads with masters.  Do I need to cite some examples ? :D

There are many people who hold PhDs and Doctorates, who have faith and religious beliefs, they do well for themselves.  Some of you still are obsessed with this !  There are big differences between have religious beliefs / faith and fanaticism, or people trying to push their shite and convert others.  Maybe such a theory would hold some truth for that category.  Not everyone with a masters degree is an atheist and not everyone who believes in God is a welfare hoarding motherfucker without an education.

Perhaps whoever came up with this fucked up the arsehole theory must have thought that the education system brainwashes people into thinking science is absolute, that it has answers to everything, since it is part of a multi trillion $ industry and corruption, people thinking outside the box are deemed crazy.  There are many things beyond our comprehension that science cannot explain, paranormal in nature, lots that the NASA and military is not telling people and classify that info.  Many of these have a University education.

I see that a lot I mean have not come across more university students that have beliefs than those atheist should I go tell them ,hey come the fuck come you are in univeristy, you are supposed to be a dumb git because you have beliefs.

Man created religion.......and the same man kind also created retarded stereotypes.  ;D ;D ;D
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Reply #16 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 05:03:07 PM

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Not everyone with a masters degree is an atheist and not everyone who believes in God is a welfare hoarding motherfucker without an education.
We are not arguing about "everyone". Of course many very smart and educated people are religious and many non-religious people are quite frankly idiots. But there has been a correlation found. But correlation doesn't imply causation. More research, especially in non-western world needs to be done. But it's not a stereotype and it's not a "arsehole theory". You can read about it here:
http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-correlation-between-intelligence-and-faith/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence

I am surprised you didn't know that yet though. As ED^2, Robert and I seemed to be on the same page from the beginning. :D

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Perhaps whoever came up with this fucked up the arsehole theory must have thought that the education system brainwashes people into thinking science is absolute, that it has answers to everything, since it is part of a multi trillion $ industry and corruption, people thinking outside the box are deemed crazy.  There are many things beyond our comprehension that science cannot explain, paranormal in nature, lots that the NASA and military is not telling people and classify that info.  Many of these have a University education.
Just for curiosity - have you gone to college or university?
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Reply #17 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 05:07:08 PM

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No man the study (I will give you a link when I find it again) says just that the more you study the less likely you are to be a religious person, not that everybody that goes to college or the university throws away their faith, or that only dumb and uneducated people have some sort of religious belief.

Chill out and read carefully, do not jump to conclusions, the operating and key word is likely.

Peace out.

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Reply #18 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 06:05:41 PM
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@Darkstar2:

No man the study (I will give you a link when I find it again) says just that the more you study the less likely you are to be a religious person, not that everybody that goes to college or the university throws away their faith, or that only dumb and uneducated people have some sort of religious belief.

Yeah the less likely but not for the reasons most people think.  Because most of the time you are too damn busy and flooded with work and assignments you barely have time to eat, sleep and wank let alone think of religion or go to church, and yes I know because I've been there, or did you lot assume I did not go farther than grade school because I believe in God ? LOL.
I would be disappointed otherwise so yeah, most of the time you are spent studying, work, studying, work, studying, and then there is the social aspect, so too busy to be "religious" so to speak, but no matter how busy one can be does not mean you don't believe!. Again I repeat for the millionth time, I am not a religious person, I'm the last person who will be pushing religion lol.  But I believe we are all created from the  same, it's just that man kind made religion, and all the cultural barriers that separate us......Not all of us believers are grade school educated monks you know :P  I could be a well educated ER doctor that believes in God and goes to church from time to time.....
What is the % of people who continue past high school ? small percentage...... It's been a long time I have seen figures, but last time I saw figures it was about 11-14%, I don't know about US figures, it's probably around those or higher.....So are the majority % of those high school educated people all religious ? Not necessarily.

There again maybe it depends what you are studying, maybe if your field is studying medicine, science, etc, you might be less LIKELY to be religious, some would say,
 HOWEVER, I know people in the field who are religious / believers.  In medicine there are documented cases that defy any medical science / explanation or anything taught in med school.  In fact some non believers became believers, and the other way around too.   Another thing people don't discuss much about is the environment you were brought up and around you, that has an influence as well. 

Instead of us believers being the target of atheist as if we were fucking criminals when all we are doing is minding our business and not pushing our crap on anybody (believer does not necessarily mean fanatic!) perhaps you lot should target those CRIMINALS, those charlatans ministers and TV evangelist who run their SCAMS on TV to lure the suckers !   Or a certain religion where people KILL in the name of their God, claiming any people outside their religion is evil and must be exterminated.....FUNNY how people don't put much emphasis on that, and instead label anybody who believes in a God / Supreme being as being a nutter.
You humans are so odd in your way of thinking.....

 
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Sure it was never an issue. :D
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Reply #19 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 06:31:21 PM

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Another thing people don't discuss much about is the environment you were brought up and around you, that has an influence as well. 
That is why more non-western countries need to be additionally examined. But the point is that in 2009 study US only 4% were without belief in general population, but 41% in science. That is a great difference that cannot in fact be explained by family's or places the person grow up in. That is the point all those studies try to make and figure out. (http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/)
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Another thing people don't discuss much about is the environment you were brought up and around you, that has an influence as well. 
That is why more non-western countries need to be additionally examined. But the point is that in 2009 study US only 4% were without belief in general population, but 41% in science. That is a great difference that cannot in fact be explained by family's or places the person grow up in. That is the point all those studies try to make and figure out. (http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/)

Of course lol "science".  Are you surprised?

People who study the field will use science to try and find any logical explanation behind everything even if there is no concrete explanation.

You are sitting down watching the tely and all of a sudden you notice a shimmering white lite hovering across the room and zipping through your window.

Sure there must be a scientific explanation......:P

Or doctor who treats a patient in the ER, patient flatlines, no brain activity, for several minutes.  Patient is revived and recalls the entire conversation with 100% accuracy amongst doctors, but also doctors in other rooms - SURE.....I guess there must be a logical explanation right, brain was dead during that time, no electrical activity whatsoever.

I think out of the percentage of non believers in science there could be the "I-don't-wanna-be-crazy" syndrome, where people deny and don't WANT to believe by fear of persecution by others.

SO instead they will compensate with scientific explanations even though they are not facts or proven !  i.e. oh it was just brain cells firing or chemical reaction at moment of death (even though they know no activity was shown!).

People make science as absolute, when science only has answers to a fraction of questions.  Still science cannot explain 100% of our brain function, still don't know why certain things occur, etc.  MANY things science cannot explain.

Another problem that is making non believers is hoaxes and charlatanism, some people are using religion as a propaganda tool and making it an industry full of hoax and scams.

Now in medical science, there is a specific area of interest, our "God" part of our brain. It is believed that we are hard wired, and that belief in a God/Supreme being is the result of that area in our brain.  STILL does not explain all the mysteries - how come some people all of a sudden can heal of terminal illness that otherwise would be impossible / unlikely in medicine.....where illness has gone and vanished as if it were never there.  How to explain that some people have amazing abilities / talents so young in age and seem to have knowledge of things they never could possibly have known, through regressive hypnosis.  All these cases are documented by science yet still cannot be explained.

On that note,
Cheers.

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Reply #21 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 06:53:32 PM

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No man the study (I will give you a link when I find it again) says just that the more you study the less likely you are to be a religious person, not that everybody that goes to college or the university throws away their faith, or that only dumb and uneducated people have some sort of religious belief.

Yeah the less likely but not for the reasons most people think.  Because most of the time you are too damn busy and flooded with work and assignments you barely have time to eat, sleep and wank let alone think of religion or go to church, and yes I know because I've been there, or did you lot assume I did not go farther than grade school because I believe in God ? LOL.

I don't remember anyone refering to you or anybody by name, so I don't know what got you so riled, anyway; and if you were a grade school dropout so what? Until a couple of weeks ago I myself was a higschool dropout (Had to) now I have my diploma and am planing on going to college (University), I'm 48 and for your information my IQ hasn't moved one bit since the day I reached 18 it's around 180 points, and it was the same when i did believe. I repeat: likely is just a posibility not a certainty.

I would be disappointed otherwise so yeah, most of the time you are spent studying, work, studying, work, studying, and then there is the social aspect, so too busy to be "religious" so to speak, but no matter how busy one can be does not mean you don't believe!. Again I repeat for the millionth time, I am not a religious person, I'm the last person who will be pushing religion lol.  But I believe we are all created from the  same, it's just that man kind made religion, and all the cultural barriers that separate us......Not all of us believers are grade school educated monks you know :P  I could be a well educated ER doctor that believes in God and goes to church from time to time.....

You're right, for all I know you could be an astrophisicist and still have religious beliefs, I think a small percentage of the people in that field do.

What is the % of people who continue past high school ? small percentage...... It's been a long time I have seen figures, but last time I saw figures it was about 11-14%, I don't know about US figures, it's probably around those or higher.....So are the majority % of those high school educated people all religious ? Not necessarily.

Well you see... Yes the majority of the people with higschool or less education ARE religious, while the higher you go on the education scale the percentage drops until it asyntotes around 5% religious (I think that is the number), versus 95% non-religious, so although there hasn't been enough studies to demonstrate causality the correlation does exist. When I say non- religious I mean either declared agnostics or declared atheists, not people that do not go to church.

There again maybe it depends what you are studying, maybe if your field is studying medicine, science, etc, you might be less LIKELY to be religious, some would say,
 HOWEVER, I know people in the field who are religious / believers.  In medicine there are documented cases that defy any medical science / explanation or anything taught in med school.  In fact some non believers became believers, and the other way around too.   Another thing people don't discuss much about is the environment you were brought up and around you, that has an influence as well. 

Absolutely right, the hard sciences (math, physics, chemistry) along with biology hold the larger percentage of non believers. And you don't have to be a PhD on those fields, often is enough to read popular science books and magazines to deconvert.

Instead of us believers being the target of atheist as if we were fucking criminals when all we are doing is minding our business and not pushing our crap on anybody (believer does not necessarily mean fanatic!) perhaps you lot should target those CRIMINALS, those charlatans ministers and TV evangelist who run their SCAMS on TV to lure the suckers !   Or a certain religion where people KILL in the name of their God, claiming any people outside their religion is evil and must be exterminated.....FUNNY how people don't put much emphasis on that, and instead label anybody who believes in a God / Supreme being as being a nutter.
You humans are so odd in your way of thinking.....

FUNNY how nobody said anything negative about religious people (And we could have, you yourself just provided some excelent examples), we just stated a curious fact, and notice how I never say more inteligent always is more educated (IN school I mean) because I know that a high IQ
 doesn't say anything about your beliefs, of course you could make the case that since among the scientific community (the most inteligent people in the planet), when you reach the top layers, the ones likely to get a nobel prize, the less religious they are about a 5% as I already said.

But since it doesn't drop to zero and the ones that do believe in a god are equally smart as the ones that don't your case would be easilly disproved.

Once again chill out and don't take us to seriously and never take anything as a personal atack unless it is directed to you, you know as if somebody said hey edsquare you are a M***erF***er, then it would be within reason to asume that an attack is directed at me, but if someone says some atheists are rapists, the most I could do is ask for the source where that person extracted the info to make such claim.

I don't think the majority of religious people are bad people, but I do think that all religions are bad.

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Sure it was never an issue. :D

It sure sounded like an issue to me.
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Reply #22 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 07:21:53 PM
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I don't remember anyone refering to you or anybody by name, so I don't know what got you so riled, anyway; and if you were a grade school dropout so what? Until a couple of weeks ago I myself was a higschool dropout (Had to) now I have my diploma and am planing on going to college (University),

Another TOPIC worth discussing alone is education.  There are many examples of people who did not finish high school who are billionaires and very successful people....yet there are people who have went far with their studies and are no better than the average person.  Some people are skilled and self taught and have become self made millionaires ! MANY examples of that.  Some of the most successful and richest people on the planet have not continued past high school.  Also keep in mind the % of people who stopped at high school, not by choice, but given circumstances as I'm sure you are aware.

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I'm 48 and for your information my IQ hasn't moved one bit since the day I reached 18 it's around 180 points, and it was the same when i did believe. I repeat: likely is just a posibility not a certainty.

possibility.  :)  And IQ of 180 are you sure about that ???  so you are a savant/genius then...... MENSA ????
Rare are people at the 150-160......180 ? probably 2 digits in an entire country, so you are a genius ! :D

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You're right, for all I know you could be an astrophisicist and still have religious beliefs, I think a small percentage of the people in that field do.

astrophysicist  or I could be a film producer / writer too :D

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Absolutely right, the hard sciences (math, physics, chemistry) along with biology hold the larger percentage of non believers. And you don't have to be a PhD on those fields, often is enough to read popular science books and magazines to deconvert.

Deconvert is not a valid word :D

but I know what you mean.  All you have to do is watch the news about the pedophiles, rapists, religious crimes, fanaticism, tv evangelism, enough to turn even the most religious person a non believer..... Outside influence can make or break you, not just studies or science.  I am disgusted by the fact but I know that what we see on TV and all the scam artists don,t represent the majority, only media is more likely to report the bad doers than the good doers. :D

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But since it doesn't drop to zero and the ones that do believe in a god are equally smart as the ones that don't your case would be easilly disproved.

Well intelligence and studies have nothing to do.  Some of the biggest world terro***ts have studied in University and have high IQ....only problem is that they used their abilities for evil instead of good.
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I don't think the majority of religious people are bad people, but I do think that all religions are bad.

They are bad because they were created by man kind and is responsible for the 90% of world conflicts and divisions.   We are all the same species, all the same.....who created the barriers that separate us (cultural, race, colour, religion, etc.) man kind, not a supreme being that's for sure.  So yeah, what do you expect from man's creation which is not perfect. :D

Remove religion from the equation and all of a sudden you just resolved 90% of world conflicts, wars, etc.

You can still believe in a supreme being (God for all) without being religious or practicing any religion.

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Reply #23 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 07:27:05 PM

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Another thing people don't discuss much about is the environment you were brought up and around you, that has an influence as well. 
That is why more non-western countries need to be additionally examined. But the point is that in 2009 study US only 4% were without belief in general population, but 41% in science. That is a great difference that cannot in fact be explained by family's or places the person grow up in. That is the point all those studies try to make and figure out. (http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/)

Of course lol "science".  Are you surprised?

People who study the field will use science to try and find any logical explanation behind everything even if there is no concrete explanation.

You are sitting down watching the tely and all of a sudden you notice a shimmering white lite hovering across the room and zipping through your window.

Sure there must be a scientific explanation......:P

Most likely yes, but even if science ends up saying we don't know, that's not a reason to jump and say aliens!

Or doctor who treats a patient in the ER, patient flatlines, no brain activity, for several minutes.  Patient is revived and recalls the entire conversation with 100% accuracy amongst doctors, but also doctors in other rooms - SURE.....I guess there must be a logical explanation right, brain was dead during that time, no electrical activity whatsoever.

There has never been a demonstrated case of someone having no brain activity (Brain death) and comming back to life, flatliners yes, but you can flatline for some minutes without several damage to your brain. Since you are not dead, and your brain is functioning, so are your senses, since they are just electrical impulses that go from your nerves to your brain.

I think out of the percentage of non believers in science there could be the "I-don't-wanna-be-crazy" syndrome, where people deny and don't WANT to believe by fear of persecution by others.

SO instead they will compensate with scientific explanations even though they are not facts or proven !  i.e. oh it was just brain cells firing or chemical reaction at moment of death (even though they know no activity was shown!).

Maybe because that exact experiences can and have been recreated in a lab by stimulating the right frontal lobe of the brain with magnetism, and the people see god, a tunel, a bright light, and even aliens, depending on their beliefs.

People make science as absolute, when science only has answers to a fraction of questions.  Still science cannot explain 100% of our brain function, still don't know why certain things occur, etc.  MANY things science cannot explain.

Not that many things, but even if we really knew nothing it would not follow god (or the aliens) did it. Things science doesn't know yet:

How did life start? since the hypothesis of chemicals forming polymeres until those same polymers could replicated themselves hasn't been sufficiently investigated (because we don't know the exact climatic and chemical conditions of the earth back then), so it's still a hypothesis and not a theory (In science a theory is the graduation of an idea, there's no higher rung in the knowledge ladder).

What is the black matter? Is funny but is really energy but the scientists know didly squat about it

What is black energy? It's funny but it really is energy (WTF?) and the scientists know didly squat about it

These two things are over 90% of the known universe, so we as a species know didly squat about 90% of the cosmos, and yet there's no reason to shout: The scientists dont know? God did it!

If you reduce your God to a god of the gaps (Search the falacy) then your god is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance, and the more we know about the universe the more small and unnecessary he becomes.

Another problem that is making non believers is hoaxes and charlatanism, some people are using religion as a propaganda tool and making it an industry full of hoax and scams.

Some people? In my humble opinion all organized religion is a scam (note the word organized? it means the institutions and their employes, not the believer)

Now in medical science, there is a specific area of interest, our "God" part of our brain. It is believed that we are hard wired, and that belief in a God/Supreme being is the result of that area in our brain.  STILL does not explain all the mysteries - how come some people all of a sudden can heal of terminal illness that otherwise would be impossible / unlikely in medicine.....where illness has gone and vanished as if it were never there.  How to explain that some people have amazing abilities / talents so young in age and seem to have knowledge of things they never could possibly have known, through regressive hypnosis.  All these cases are documented by science yet still cannot be explained.

Documented by science? where? Child prodigys do exist, and so do savants (people with severe authism that are geniouses in some field without studying), but this doesn't prove god nor the aliens.

People recovering from terminal illness, yes I know it does happen, you sure you want to make the case for god based in that?
Why doesn't he heal then all the babies and children? I'm sure their parents can be teached whatever important lesson in other less painful ways.

As many of you may have guessed by now, I'm not of this earth.  I'm born on planet Krypelius-46, it's a planet very similar to earth, in distant galaxies apart.  We have much the same problems you humans are facing, we have the same beliefs, same wars, etc, some believe we might be a clone or parallel / shadow universe, but I can tell you humans that you are not alone on earth.  There are infinite amounts of "earths" out there and even on other planets they also have the same mysteries, unanswered.  We are not aliens per se, as depicted by media, but human beings, living in other galaxies and universes. YES those exist,  Life is not limited to a point in space/time. You have ALWAYS existed and ALWAYS will continue to exist simultaneously across the infinite space.
Death is only an illusion.  The version of me born on my planet is gone as I expired (what you humans call death) - at that instant my existence continues but this time on your earth, but I never ceased to exist.

FUNNY, now you are quoting scientific hypothesis (the multiverse, the permanent universe, panspermia, among others)

Energy does not die only flesh.

Energy does not die true, tu die something needs to be alive, and energy is not alive; we know when something is alive, it feels, it eats, it reproduces, it grows, it dies; so it follows that yes flesh dies.

Your science cannot explain stuff but I can tell you, warp holes do exist, time travel IS possible and exists, parallel universes DO exist, and you are not alone.

On that note,
Cheers.

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Warp holes, if I understood that book about quantum physics correctly, are indeed possible, not sure how likely but possible yes.

Time travel is possible, yes science tells us that, it's only impraticable by us in the current state of our knowledge, parallel universes or the multiverse have been postulated as posible explanations as to what was there before the bigbang (The worst name for a theory ever).

We are not alone... If you mean aliens do exist, yes is so probable that it's almost a certanty, do they visit earth? I don't think so:

Why would they? To study us? If they can traverse the universe (Engines to travel faster than light? Warp holes?) they are so far ahead of us that they more likely than  not would see us as just ants.

If they came they more likely would follow the rule of an advanced civilization encountering a less advanced one and conquer us.

Any way cheers and peace out.  ;)
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Reply #24 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 07:41:20 PM

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I don't remember anyone refering to you or anybody by name, so I don't know what got you so riled, anyway; and if you were a grade school dropout so what? Until a couple of weeks ago I myself was a higschool dropout (Had to) now I have my diploma and am planing on going to college (University),

Another TOPIC worth discussing alone is education.  There are many examples of people who did not finish high school who are billionaires and very successful people....yet there are people who have went far with their studies and are no better than the average person.  Some people are skilled and self taught and have become self made millionaires ! MANY examples of that.  Some of the most successful and richest people on the planet have not continued past high school.  Also keep in mind the % of people who stopped at high school, not by choice, but given circumstances as I'm sure you are aware.

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I'm 48 and for your information my IQ hasn't moved one bit since the day I reached 18 it's around 180 points, and it was the same when i did believe. I repeat: likely is just a posibility not a certainty.

possibility.  :)  And IQ of 180 are you sure about that ???  so you are a savant/genius then...... MENSA ????
Rare are people at the 150-160......180 ? probably 2 digits in an entire country, so you are a genius ! :D

Not really a genious, it takes more than IQ to be one, anyway I think that to be considered one by your IQ alone it must be over

Fuck! searching for the IQ chart I found out I must be wrong about the results!, will have to take another test!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_classification

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You're right, for all I know you could be an astrophisicist and still have religious beliefs, I think a small percentage of the people in that field do.

astrophysicist  or I could be a film producer / writer too :D

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Absolutely right, the hard sciences (math, physics, chemistry) along with biology hold the larger percentage of non believers. And you don't have to be a PhD on those fields, often is enough to read popular science books and magazines to deconvert.

Deconvert is not a valid word :D

but I know what you mean.  All you have to do is watch the news about the pedophiles, rapists, religious crimes, fanaticism, tv evangelism, enough to turn even the most religious person a non believer..... Outside influence can make or break you, not just studies or science.  I am disgusted by the fact but I know that what we see on TV and all the scam artists don,t represent the majority, only media is more likely to report the bad doers than the good doers. :D

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But since it doesn't drop to zero and the ones that do believe in a god are equally smart as the ones that don't your case would be easilly disproved.

Well intelligence and studies have nothing to do.  Some of the biggest world terro***ts have studied in University and have high IQ....only problem is that they used their abilities for evil instead of good.
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I don't think the majority of religious people are bad people, but I do think that all religions are bad.

They are bad because they were created by man kind and is responsible for the 90% of world conflicts and divisions.   We are all the same species, all the same.....who created the barriers that separate us (cultural, race, colour, religion, etc.) man kind, not a supreme being that's for sure.  So yeah, what do you expect from man's creation which is not perfect. :D

Remove religion from the equation and all of a sudden you just resolved 90% of world conflicts, wars, etc.

You can still believe in a supreme being (God for all) without being religious or practicing any religion.

Intelligence and studies have much to do, true some horrible people have been geniouses even but still not the majority of geniouses do horrible things, I suspect that the higher intelect allows you to better examine and predict the outcome of your actions.

Thakns for correcting my spelling, sorry but my mother tongue is spanish not english and is one of those things that I teached myself  ;)

They are bad for other reasons too but I will not discuss them with you, I don't want another flame.

You can believe in a supreme being without being part of organized religion, but believing in a supreme being is the kind of definition of religious, and yes you don't have to practice any religion to be religious; I think.

Cheers and peace out.
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Reply #25 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 09:48:36 PM
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Most likely yes, but even if science ends up saying we don't know, that's not a reason to jump and say aliens!

Not everyone is "jumping", only a certain group of people who are preaching alien beings and other stuff :P  However since ends up saying they don't know but that does not mean they can't entertain the possibility....  There is no proof of a God or aliens, but there is also no proof of the non existence and since humans are hard wired to only believe in what they see, I guess one can take the easy way and assume nothing exists, even if science cannot explain it. 

Do you know eds that the US spends billions of $ yearly in search for other life and other planets, whilst people are fucking dying and starving to death ?  Guess if that is not proof enough science is interested in finding out and entertaining the POSSIBILITY, then what more proof do you need...... I'm sure science knows MORE than it lets out, but keeps it classified for political and financial reasons and population control.  I do firmly believe we have cures for many diseases that currently cannot be cured, but some cures are being blocked. 

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There has never been a demonstrated case of someone having no brain activity (Brain death) and comming back to life,

Very wrong on that one, it is documented.

Clinically dead is no heart beat and no brain activity.  Not ALL cases report NDEs, but out of all the reported NDEs cases they all share the same thing in common.  Maybe medicine can explain the tunnel visions and lights, but they have yet to explain how people manage to see and hear above their body what is going on in the ER and other rooms.  That cannot be explained by chemical reactions or brain cells dying off / firing off at the time of death.

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Maybe because that exact experiences can and have been recreated in a lab by stimulating the right frontal lobe of the brain with magnetism, and the people see god, a tunel, a bright light, and even aliens, depending on their beliefs.

EXACTLY, good you have been doing your homework :D  They have recreated only PART of what people report from an NDE, but they have yet to recreate or explain how people managed to SEE and recall what was going on above their bodies, and the conversations / seeing across rooms.

As far as the recreation in a lab, this I believe is what's behind the theory that we have a "God" part of our brain responsible for our beliefs and the euphoria we feel/see at the moment of death as a coping mechanism to death.  But NDE is more than just tunnels and seeing lights, and those events can be recreated providing brain activity is present.  otherwise people are experiencing these at the flatline/brain dead stage as in absence of electrical activity and a hear beat you are clinically dead.

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How did life start? since the hypothesis of chemicals forming polymeres until those same polymers could replicated themselves hasn't been sufficiently investigated

Right, so what created those alleged chemical forming polymers ? :P  What created the creator ?  These are questions that we will never be able to answer.
But it's far easier for the human brain to process that NOTHING exists, we are the only one and everything outside us is void.....than process a bunch of theories.  The brain will always choose the easy path :P

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These two things are over 90% of the known universe, so we as a species know didly squat about 90% of the cosmos, and yet there's no reason to shout: The scientists dont know? God did it!

Well we can both agree that humans didn't create the black matter, stars, other planets, meteors and all that is happening in outerspace......So who the bloody hell did then ?  We can sit all nite and say that this does not mean a God exists, but then WHO/WHAT created this ?  It's hard for a human brain to grasp that something has always existed and never been "created".
So who created the sun ? who created the moon ?  BIG BANG ? So who created the big bang, and who created the thing that created the thing that lead to the alleged big bang ?
Who created the emptiness before all things started ?

HUMANS ??? :P

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the more we know about the universe the more small and unnecessary he becomes.

Really because unless proven otherwise we still don't have answers to most of the important things.  I mean all we hear from NASA is discovering new planets, new galaxies with gay names, and earth like planets....and they starting to claim we might not be alone....Gee thanks NASA, we pay you billions of $ to tell us something we already bloody knew :D  So if we are the only living beings in the entire space carrying universes and galaxies, what the hell is the purpose of other planets then ? Just for show ? So it was just a COINCIDENCE that 2 rocks collided and boom, a universe, galaxies, planets, life ???? :P
Science knows fuck all about this shite, it's all based on assumptions/speculations and seeking of proof, which they will never get or if they do they will keep it classified and lie to the population......as I think they are right now. :D

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Some people? In my humble opinion all organized religion is a scam (note the word organized? it means the institutions and their employes, not the believer)

That is in sync with what I was saying....But the "believers" are not part of this mess.  It's the way religion has been commercialised..... but I again, religion != God...  Religion is a creation of man kind and inherits its flaws with it.

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Documented by science? where? Child prodigys do exist, and so do savants (people with severe authism that are geniouses in some field without studying), but this doesn't prove god nor the aliens.

lol did not mention about Aliens....... But entertain the possibility we are more than just physical bodies and electrical impulses.
otherwise science cannot explain those child prodigies and people who seem to "know" without having learned.  What about people knowing stuff from regressive hypnosis they never could have possibly known.

I do believe there is more to it than physical bodies.  We are physical but we are also energy.  now don't attribute everything I say to God or Aliens :D 

There has been studies made where plants, flowers, etc, growing around an environment where love is present, to grow faster and healthier, whereas negative would have the opposite effect on plants.....etc.  In fact science is studying many different aspects but has yet to explain how certain mechanisms work.  Science claims we only use a % of our brain.  What about people who have amazing abilities, they might be using the rest or only a few % more, but what about the 70-80% not accounted for........This shows you that science has a long ways to go to fully explain the human body.

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People recovering from terminal illness, yes I know it does happen, you sure you want to make the case for god based in that?

No, I did not say that, but that we might not be alone and that there is something beyond our physical world and level of comprehension.   Might have nothing to do with a God or aliens......I did not imply that.
I do still believe in a God/Supreme creator but ALSO believe there is more to our physical bodies.  LIFE itself HAS to have some meaning, otherwise why the hell do we exist in the first place........ALL this for nothing ?

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Why doesn't he heal then all the babies and children? I'm sure their parents can be teached whatever important lesson in other less painful ways.

Good question.  Why can't we all love each other, why can't we NEVER have diseases, why can't we all sing and dance and party and never fight and all be happy on earth........  :P  Perhaps it would negate the purpose of life.  No answer to your question, why this and why that.......Why can't God stop the tornados and hurricanes, why can't God catch you if you decide to jump from the ledge :D Fuck if I knew, I dunno, and nobody will ever know.  if there was a God or supreme being, it would not run on dictatorship but allow free will and not intervene.  Should the definition of GOD = constant interventions ???  :P
That is RELIGION territory and that is where man kind carved religion and all the rubbish surrounding it, what you refer to a SCAM, which it is. :D

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FUNNY, now you are quoting scientific hypothesis (the multiverse, the permanent universe, panspermia, among others)

I was just messing with you I'd figure you'd enjoy that part..... I'm just as human as you are mate :D

As far as parallel universe, shadow universe, multi dimensions, etc to be honest I am on the fence about that .......I'd LOVE to entertain the possibility of me existing in parallel in different planes, experiencing a different outcome.......Note the word "entertain"..... So I might be eating a pizza on this earth and on some other dimension where I also exist, be eating a big hamburger.  :D Please note this has nothing to do with God or aliens now.  As far as aliens, again, on the fence on that one.
Where my beliefs are strong is that we are more than physical bodies and that all this space containing life form and energy has a creator. :P  Maybe Elvis did it !  ;D

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Warp holes, if I understood that book about quantum physics correctly, are indeed possible, not sure how likely but possible yes.

Sorry I meant black holes.  Everything around it is sucked in, but where does it go to, does it just disintegrate ? 

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Time travel is possible, yes science tells us that, it's only impraticable by us in the current state of our knowledge,

One thing that is puzzling to me, what we call "TIME" again is something man made, as there is no "TIME" as we know it so could this explain that past-present-future exists simultaneously hence, explain why we can "travel" this "timeline" otherwise if time did exist, wouldn't that negate time travel as events have to come to pass in order to go back in time..... But that is good for another topic though..... These are the type of topics I really like to discuss. :D

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We are not alone... If you mean aliens do exist, yes is so probable that it's almost a certanty, do they visit earth? I don't think so:

They do, they are evil and they are what we call "politicians" lol!

So I see you studied quantum physics and astronomy that's good that you did your homework.   :P

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Not everyone is "jumping", only a certain group of people who are preaching alien beings and other stuff :P  However since ends up saying they don't know but that does not mean they can't entertain the possibility....  There is no proof of a God or aliens, but there is also no proof of the non existence and since humans are hard wired to only believe in what they see, I guess one can take the easy way and assume nothing exists, even if science cannot explain it. 

Actually, most of the scientific community would argue that the easy path, the one we always took before science, is to asume god did it. If you read about the god thing in our brains you'll see we are evolved and hardwired to assign agency (will, intent, etc.) to what we don't understand, when our ancestors evolved in the african planes it was safer to asume that if the leaves moved a predator was behind and jump to a tree or hide as you could than to do nothing, many times you'd jump and it would be nothing, but it takes only one time you don't jump and there is a predator for you to be eaten. So the evolutionary pressure was to assume intent and to act in consecuence, therefore we asigned intent and consciousnes to the sun, the storm, the thunder, the volcano and so on. Even now we asign intent to what we don't understand, that's why the majority of the people are still religious, or believe in ghosts, aliens and whatnot.  :)

Do you know eds that the US spends billions of $ yearly in search for other life and other planets, whilst people are fucking dying and starving to death ?  Guess if that is not proof enough science is interested in finding out and entertaining the POSSIBILITY, then what more proof do you need...... I'm sure science knows MORE than it lets out, but keeps it classified for political and financial reasons and population control.  I do firmly believe we have cures for many diseases that currently cannot be cured, but some cures are being blocked. 

NASA is investigating the possibility of life on other planets (or whoever runs SETI) yes, but they do not claim to have found it yet, nor do they say to have encounters with aliens be they green, gray or humanoid. The laboratories have cures they do not reveal? Possible and even probable, but do not confuse GlaxoSmithKline with the scientific community, they do research it's true but they are above all a bussines that has to answer to the board and pay dividends, and the people doing the research sign confidentiality clauses on their contracts. So corporations may hide something that may benefit some of the population but the scientific community does not. How do I know? Peer review, it's what keeps the scientists honest and it's what keeps the personal beliefs of one or the other out of the picture, add the fact that when you see other scientist's work you are not trying to prove him right, you are trying to prove him wrong; if it turns he is wrong science gains knowledge, they know how something doesn't work, and if he is right then they know how something most likely works, most likely because in the future we could find new facts, evidence that could prove him totally or partially wrong.  :)

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There has never been a demonstrated case of someone having no brain activity (Brain death) and comming back to life,

Very wrong on that one, it is documented.

Clinically dead is no heart beat and no brain activity.  Not ALL cases report NDEs, but out of all the reported NDEs cases they all share the same thing in common.  Maybe medicine can explain the tunnel visions and lights, but they have yet to explain how people manage to see and hear above their body what is going on in the ER and other rooms.  That cannot be explained by chemical reactions or brain cells dying off / firing off at the time of death.

Actually it's not, clinical death is when the heart stops and there is no beat and no respiration, brain death if it's not present at the same time (For instance most shots to the head are fatal, sometimes a swelling can cause brain death which in turns causes the heart to stop beating) ocurrs about 3 minutes after the heart stops beating. Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_death
https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Clinical_death.html


EXACTLY, good you have been doing your homework :D  They have recreated only PART of what people report from an NDE, but they have yet to recreate or explain how people managed to SEE and recall what was going on above their bodies, and the conversations / seeing across rooms.

As far as the recreation in a lab, this I believe is what's behind the theory that we have a "God" part of our brain responsible for our beliefs and the euphoria we feel/see at the moment of death as a coping mechanism to death.  But NDE is more than just tunnels and seeing lights, and those events can be recreated providing brain activity is present.  otherwise people are experiencing these at the flatline/brain dead stage as in absence of electrical activity and a hear beat you are clinically dead.

See the prior answer.


Right, so what created those alleged chemical forming polymers ? :P  What created the creator ?  These are questions that we will never be able to answer.
But it's far easier for the human brain to process that NOTHING exists, we are the only one and everything outside us is void.....than process a bunch of theories.  The brain will always choose the easy path :P

What created those chemicals? The Sun, well the sun and other stars create those chemicals by fussion, what we don't know is how the organic compounds (organic means carbon based only) got together and formed autoreplicating polymers, the precursors of ARN which in turn is the precursor of ADN, but once you have those (And we do know somehow, somewhere they formed) evolution takes place and results in ever more addapted polymers until you have the first cell, and from there possibly more complex life forms. You must remember evolutions is blind, it doesn't have a goal it just is.

EDIT 4: The organic compunds form spontaneously if the right chemicals are present, since we know somewhere, somehow they formed we have to infer the right chemicals and the right conditions.

As to what created the creator, well you see... that presuposes the existence of a creator, and since there is no evidence of one...  :)


Well we can both agree that humans didn't create the black matter, stars, other planets, meteors and all that is happening in outerspace......So who the bloody hell did then ?  We can sit all nite and say that this does not mean a God exists, but then WHO/WHAT created this ?  It's hard for a human brain to grasp that something has always existed and never been "created".
So who created the sun ? who created the moon ?  BIG BANG ? So who created the big bang, and who created the thing that created the thing that lead to the alleged big bang ?
Who created the emptiness before all things started ?

HUMANS ??? :P

Who created the universe or who created the bigbang presupones a creator and therefore is a loaded question.

The emptiness? What emptiness? Science doesn't say that there was a moment when there was nothing, the BigBang postulates a singularity but now scientists don't think so, they say it would be impossible, but since we don't have the equipment to see beyond the first seconds after the BigBang the question of what happened, how and if there was something, and what it was, must remain (for now) unaswered.


Really because unless proven otherwise we still don't have answers to most of the important things.  I mean all we hear from NASA is discovering new planets, new galaxies with gay names, and earth like planets....and they starting to claim we might not be alone....Gee thanks NASA, we pay you billions of $ to tell us something we already bloody knew :D  So if we are the only living beings in the entire space carrying universes and galaxies, what the hell is the purpose of other planets then ? Just for show ? So it was just a COINCIDENCE that 2 rocks collided and boom, a universe, galaxies, planets, life ???? :P
Science knows fuck all about this shite, it's all based on assumptions/speculations and seeking of proof, which they will never get or if they do they will keep it classified and lie to the population......as I think they are right now. :D

You see in science you don't go and say: An invisible Pink Unicorn created the Dark Matter, now disprove it. You take the evidence, the known facts about something and then postulate a hypothesis trying to explain some phenomenon, your hypothesis not only has to explain it, it has to make scientific predictions about it under different circumstances, and then you go and see if your predictions are true, if they are not you don't throw your arms up and say The Pink Unicorn did it, you go back to the drawing board and modify your hypothesis to adjust it to the new evidence or even postulate a completely new hypothesis. If the phenomenon is relatively small and if/when your hypothesis has been under peer review and hasn't been disproved then you get a law, when you try to explain several laws of a same field your hypothesis, if confirmed becomes a Theory.

Scientists do not hide the facts, nor do they hold to some hypothesis because they like it, peer review prevents it, you are saying that everybody in the scientific community is BFF with everybody and are willing to lie and lose the possible Nobel Prize $$$ they would win if they could prove God is real, or evolution is false, or Leprechauns do exist.

The person that first encounters an alien, or confirms the existence of inteligent life on other planets will become famous and rich, scientists have big egos, and big egos like to be told how great they are, so, even if you forget the money, that hypothesis is highly unlikely. Remeber that they are in a fierce competition with everybody in their field to be the first, the best; and every year new scientists join the community, what they are in the conspiracy too?  :)


That is in sync with what I was saying....But the "believers" are not part of this mess.  It's the way religion has been commercialised..... but I again, religion != God...  Religion is a creation of man kind and inherits its flaws with it.

I agree with you almost a 100%, sorry but Religion does equal God, no god no religion, no religion no god (In broad terms of course)


lol did not mention about Aliens....... But entertain the possibility we are more than just physical bodies and electrical impulses.
otherwise science cannot explain those child prodigies and people who seem to "know" without having learned.  What about people knowing stuff from regressive hypnosis they never could have possibly known.

I do believe there is more to it than physical bodies.  We are physical but we are also energy.  now don't attribute everything I say to God or Aliens :D 

There has been studies made where plants, flowers, etc, growing around an environment where love is present, to grow faster and healthier, whereas negative would have the opposite effect on plants.....etc.  In fact science is studying many different aspects but has yet to explain how certain mechanisms work.  Science claims we only use a % of our brain.  What about people who have amazing abilities, they might be using the rest or only a few % more, but what about the 70-80% not accounted for........This shows you that science has a long ways to go to fully explain the human body.

Yes living beings have feelings and these feelings do affect their health, Prodigys and savants? Don't know how they get the way they are, notice I'm not saying God didn't made them, I'm saying I don't know, if scientists do know I'm unaware of it, if they don't they will tell you the same thing, I don't know. And that's a good thing, if they said I don't know must've been god science would stop working, and if science stops working then you can say good bye to any technical or scientific progress, so the next new virus could verywell wipeout the human race.

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People recovering from terminal illness, yes I know it does happen, you sure you want to make the case for god based in that?

No, I did not say that, but that we might not be alone and that there is something beyond our physical world and level of comprehension.   Might have nothing to do with a God or aliens......I did not imply that.
I do still believe in a God/Supreme creator but ALSO believe there is more to our physical bodies.  LIFE itself HAS to have some meaning, otherwise why the hell do we exist in the first place........ALL this for nothing ?

My life has meaning, maybe more now than when I believed in the afterlife, you see, I believe my time is finite, so I try not to waste a single nanosecond of it.

God could very well exist, I dont think so but he could, and that fact would not give my life more or less meaning, before being able to love someone you must love yourself, before being able to be happy with someone else you must be happy, so my advice is search your meaning inside yourself and not outside (Don't throw away your faith if you don't want to), that kind of pourpose and meaning is something nobody can take away from you.

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Why doesn't he heal then all the babies and children? I'm sure their parents can be teached whatever important lesson in other less painful ways.

Good question.  Why can't we all love each other, why can't we NEVER have diseases, why can't we all sing and dance and party and never fight and all be happy on earth........  :P  Perhaps it would negate the purpose of life.  No answer to your question, why this and why that.......Why can't God stop the tornados and hurricanes, why can't God catch you if you decide to jump from the ledge :D Fuck if I knew, I dunno, and nobody will ever know.  if there was a God or supreme being, it would not run on dictatorship but allow free will and not intervene.  Should the definition of GOD = constant interventions ???  :P
That is RELIGION territory and that is where man kind carved religion and all the rubbish surrounding it, what you refer to a SCAM, which it is. :D

When I prayed for faith with tears in my eyes, would he rob me of my free will by answering? Was not I asking him? Was not I choosing, to hear him? If he saved the babies and children whose free will would he infringe upon? Do the babies and children choose to die? From horrible, long and painful diseases? If it were in your power would you allow a single babie or children to suffer? To be raped?, To be turned in a sobing mass of pain?

And if you did prevent all that suffering would you be more moral or less moral than me that having the same capability choose not to?

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FUNNY, now you are quoting scientific hypothesis (the multiverse, the permanent universe, panspermia, among others)

I was just messing with you I'd figure you'd enjoy that part..... I'm just as human as you are mate :D

As far as parallel universe, shadow universe, multi dimensions, etc to be honest I am on the fence about that .......I'd LOVE to entertain the possibility of me existing in parallel in different planes, experiencing a different outcome.......Note the word "entertain"..... So I might be eating a pizza on this earth and on some other dimension where I also exist, be eating a big hamburger.  :D Please note this has nothing to do with God or aliens now.  As far as aliens, again, on the fence on that one.
Where my beliefs are strong is that we are more than physical bodies and that all this space containing life form and energy has a creator. :P  Maybe Elvis did it !  ;D

Well there have been people claiming that Elvis is alive since forever!  ;)

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Warp holes, if I understood that book about quantum physics correctly, are indeed possible, not sure how likely but possible yes.

Sorry I meant black holes.  Everything around it is sucked in, but where does it go to, does it just disintegrate ? 

I thought you meant Worm Holes (Supossed to conect two distant points by warping space/time)

Black Holes mmm?  Did you know they dissintegrate? It's called evaporation, don't know why, maybe they are the ones making the dark matter and dark energy? maybe they in some point explode into another universe? (That is one on many scientific hypothesis right now)

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Time travel is possible, yes science tells us that, it's only impraticable by us in the current state of our knowledge,

One thing that is puzzling to me, what we call "TIME" again is something man made, as there is no "TIME" as we know it so could this explain that past-present-future exists simultaneously hence, explain why we can "travel" this "timeline" otherwise if time did exist, wouldn't that negate time travel as events have to come to pass in order to go back in time..... But that is good for another topic though..... These are the type of topics I really like to discuss. :D

I think that in that both are wee beyond our grasp don't you?

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We are not alone... If you mean aliens do exist, yes is so probable that it's almost a certanty, do they visit earth? I don't think so:

They do, they are evil and they are what we call "politicians" lol!

So I see you studied quantum physics and astronomy that's good that you did your homework.   :P

Damn! I knew it! and they do have their base in Rosswel!    ;D


EDIT: I didn't study quantum physics, I read a book for the uneducated masses about it  :D

EDIT 2: Had to erase my comments quoted by you so as to be able to correct some mistakes (2000 character limit)

EDIT3: To process nothing is easier? Then how do you explain that only two or three cultures managed to come up with the concept of zero in math?
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Reply #27 Posted on: July 19, 2014, 12:08:10 AM

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ExDeus I found the opposite correlation. Every Christian family I know has tons of money they travel the world on vacation in famous places all the time. That money doesn't just fall out of their armpits it's rooted by their jobs, hard work, and education. Public schools are filled with swarms of atheists that don't want anything but to get drunk and smoke pot and all that shit rather than get a serious education. Passing just barely. The grading system in american public schools are fucked. Dumb as hell. Where as I've been kicked out of numerous private schools because it was too much work and quite frankly a group of people who were generally a lot smarter than me. Didn't have that problem at all in public school.

The only thing I care about and agree with in religion is not being selfish, push your limits, and actually accomplish something to be proud of before you push up daisies. Most people with no standards or book so to speak to go by don't have much room for living a productive life. All you'd ever care about with that mindset is beer, drugs and 40 women fucking you all at once. It's like nothing else matters. The only atheists that I'm aware that care about science like at all are those people on TV, Discovery Channel, Animal Planet, etc but other than myself I've never met an atheist like that in person. I personally find it humiliating to the community. Celebrities make money not on education, but "acting school" which isn't the same thing. That would explain their stupid choice in investments. (drugs, etc). It makes me want to throw up. I'm desperate to meet more atheists that are like-minded with me in these regards. You know, like actually caring to do something beneficial for the human race at any level possible.

Does anyone here know Second Reality from the GMC? He's the kind of friend I could be super close with if only we lived anywhere near each other. He's an atheist but he actually cares to do things that can benefit other people. He's so awesome. I need a friend like that I know in person. It really sucks. Like really bad. I want to let go my christian friends sooner or later. But all that's left are the atheists in my neighborhood who hate my guts for damning them to hell. Almost forgot, Robert is another great example of an unselfish friend. You're awesome Robby!! :D

I'm just gonna stop complaining about my lack of non-cyber friends right now.
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Reply #28 Posted on: July 19, 2014, 12:46:10 AM

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ExDeus I found the opposite correlation. Every Christian family I know has tons of money they travel the world on vacation in famous places all the time. That money doesn't just fall out of their armpits it's rooted by their jobs, hard work, and education. Public schools are filled with swarms of atheists that don't want anything but to get drunk and smoke pot and all that shit rather than get a serious education. Passing just barely. The grading system in american public schools are fucked. Dumb as hell. Where as I've been kicked out of numerous private schools because it was too much work and quite frankly a group of people who were generally a lot smarter than me. Didn't have that problem at all in public school.

Sources for your study? Or what you say is from personal experience only? Yes Ted Haggard made a ton of money, very smart, and also worked hard pulling wool over the gullible's eyes, so what? Yes some atheists do smoke pot and drink as if there were no tomorrow, but in order to take something out of the anecdotic and turn it into a statistic you need to walk the walk, in other words you need time, money and hard work collecting data all over the place, without prejudice and then see what the data tells you.

The only thing I care about and agree with in religion is not being selfish, push your limits, and actually accomplish something to be proud of before you push up daisies. Most people with no standards or book so to speak to go by don't have much room for living a productive life. All you'd ever care about with that mindset is beer, drugs and 40 women fucking you all at once. It's like nothing else matters. The only atheists that I'm aware that care about science like at all are those people on TV, Discovery Channel, Animal Planet, etc but other than myself I've never met an atheist like that in person. I personally find it humiliating to the community. Celebrities make money not on education, but "acting school" which isn't the same thing. That would explain their stupid choice in investments. (drugs, etc). It makes me want to throw up. I'm desperate to meet more atheists that are like-minded with me in these regards. You know, like actually caring to do something beneficial for the human race at any level possible.

Well I haven't met personally (that I know) another atheist (I assume you don't count me or TheExDeus since we have never meet eye to eye so to speak) but them are fighthing words man.

First of all, if you admit that you don't know enough atheists as to make a significant sample, even if you do know how to make the statistics, you can't claim that most are cheating, stealing, rapist, pedophile, drug addicts, drunkards in all honestity, can you?

Seccond, most celebrities are religious, and some even buy their koolaid from the Scientologysts  :o

Third, would you like to know some atheists? it's easy search and go to a metting, most groups in the USA hold weekly mettings, get to know some before speaking about them.

Fourth, what you say postulates that we do need the book for our morals, if you read it you'll see it's chock full of inmorality, not only by the villians or the heroes, but by god hisself. What with all the raping, incest, mass murder, slavery, gay bashing shit it's in there, you still believe you need a book that says you should be stoned to death for not believing in Jesus? And guess what? Is Jesus hisself who supossedly says that!

Does anyone here know Second Reality from the GMC? He's the kind of friend I could be super close with if only we lived anywhere near each other. He's an atheist but he actually cares to do things that can benefit other people. He's so awesome. I need a friend like that I know in person. It really sucks. Like really bad. I want to let go my christian friends sooner or later. But all that's left are the atheists in my neighborhood who hate my guts for damning them to hell. Almost forgot, Robert is another great example of an unselfish friend. You're awesome Robby!! :D

I'm just gonna stop complaining about my lack of friends right now.

No I don't know him, I can only hope he doesn't also believe that atheist=amoral, bastard...  :o
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Reply #29 Posted on: July 19, 2014, 10:20:52 AM

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Edsquare you misunderstand me. It's a matter of coincidence because it's completely based on my experience. If I moved to another state or country I won't deny every environment is different. I was just complaining on how it just so happens to be where I live. Also now that I think of it you're right, Justin Beiber, Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez, etc are all Christians but they are extremely fucked up in the head. I need to be not so quick to make invalid assumptions.

Also it's hard finding other Atheists because I'm afraid of people in general. I've been rejected by like everyone in every school I've gone to. Public/private doesn't matter I've been to plenty of both and everyone hates me. Edsquare you seem to be a real friend I really appreciate talking with you it encourages me to connect in more social events. I've been talking about these things in counceling and the doctor pretty much suggests the same thing you did, Eds, he mentioned this website called "meet up" ( www.meetup.com ) where you can meet people in your area you know you'll like and make plans to hang out. I like this one a lot I'm gonna have to check it out: http://www.meetup.com/Godless-and-Proud-Atheists-Anti-theists-Apostates/

I have a strange feeling Harri doesn't like me. I don't know why. <awkward silence>
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