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Offline (Male) edsquare
Posted on: July 17, 2014, 12:46:30 PM

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It's funny how the religious fervor is redirected among the community.

There is an inversely proportional correlation between how much have you studied and the grade of religious belief you have:

The more you stay in school the less prone to religious belief you are, and yet...

I beleive in FPC, him believes in C++, that one believes in C#, that other in java, and so on.

The same goes for libraries, wxwidgets people vs QT people, SDL vs SFML vs Allegro, etc.

Not to speack about Operating Systems, here truly the blood can reach the river, and is a free for all war, with the only exeption when you are confronted with people really outside the family : Windows vs Linux vs OsX, but among the Linux community there is no peace.

It's everybody against everybody else, Distro vs Distro, Desktop vs Desktop, Developing method and software are right there too.

Could it be only that, we, as a species, are prone to violence against those outside our group?
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Reply #1 Posted on: July 17, 2014, 12:57:32 PM

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Religion causes wars. Not programming languages, OS's and all that other geeky stuff. While there are many passionate fans of every non-dead OS (Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS, etc) it's nothing to cause any violence over let alone war. That's like comparing a jagged knife with a sponge.
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Reply #2 Posted on: July 17, 2014, 01:28:55 PM

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Religion causes wars. Not programming languages, OS's and all that other geeky stuff. While there are many passionate fans of every non-dead OS (Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS, etc) it's nothing to cause any violence over let alone war. That's like comparing a jagged knife with a sponge.

Okey, not literal wars with dead people and all but still wars of a sort.
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Reply #3 Posted on: July 17, 2014, 01:54:58 PM
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Congratulations mate ! You just cracked the mystery of life.   You nailed it perfectly.  We are wired to go against one another, it's group vs. group.   Religion wars, operating system wars, programming languages wars, cultural wars, race wars, did I leave anything out ? :P

As TKG would say, true dat homie. :P

It's funny how the religious fervor is redirected among the community.

There is an inversely proportional correlation between how much have you studied and the grade of religious belief you have:

The more you stay in school the less prone to religious belief you are, and yet...

I beleive in FPC, him believes in C++, that one believes in C#, that other in java, and so on.

The same goes for libraries, wxwidgets people vs QT people, SDL vs SFML vs Allegro, etc.

Not to speack about Operating Systems, here truly the blood can reach the river, and is a free for all war, with the only exeption when you are confronted with people really outside the family : Windows vs Linux vs OsX, but among the Linux community there is no peace.

It's everybody against everybody else, Distro vs Distro, Desktop vs Desktop, Developing method and software are right there too.

Could it be only that, we, as a species, are prone to violence against those outside our group?
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Reply #4 Posted on: July 17, 2014, 01:57:07 PM

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Well it's up to preference. But each programming language has some differences that makes on objectively better than another. Like if you want to use pure C++, then it's usually much harder to compile (all the makefile business). If you want many data types built-in, then python can be better, but it's usually slower and I hate the syntax (that part is subjective). If you want to use a lot of matrices and higher level math, then Matlab is a lot better, but you won't render anything real-time with it. So right tool for the right job I suppose. Like if you want to make a 2D game, then it's hard for me to imagine something better than EDL/GML.
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Reply #5 Posted on: July 17, 2014, 02:00:09 PM
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Well it's up to preference. But each programming language has some differences that makes on objectively better than another. Like if you want to use pure C++, then it's usually much harder to compile (all the makefile business). If you want many data types built-in, then python can be better, but it's usually slower and I hate the syntax (that part is subjective). If you want to use a lot of matrices and higher level math, then Matlab is a lot better, but you won't render anything real-time with it. So right tool for the right job I suppose. Like if you want to make a 2D game, then it's hard for me to imagine something better than EDL/GML.

We all know C++ is king right ? :P

They even have such a thing as programming hell and coding heaven too ! (I thought you'd get a kick out of that eds ! LOL!).
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Reply #6 Posted on: July 17, 2014, 02:34:53 PM
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We all know C++ is king right ? :P

Of course C++ is the king :  it has semicolon on every line !  ;D  :D (I hope Robert will not read this !  ;) )
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Reply #7 Posted on: July 17, 2014, 03:52:30 PM

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Well it's up to preference. But each programming language has some differences that makes on objectively better than another. Like if you want to use pure C++, then it's usually much harder to compile (all the makefile business). If you want many data types built-in, then python can be better, but it's usually slower and I hate the syntax (that part is subjective). If you want to use a lot of matrices and higher level math, then Matlab is a lot better, but you won't render anything real-time with it. So right tool for the right job I suppose. Like if you want to make a 2D game, then it's hard for me to imagine something better than EDL/GML.

We all know C++ is king right ? :P

They even have such a thing as programming hell and coding heaven too ! (I thought you'd get a kick out of that eds ! LOL!).

Well on windows you do have a hell...


DLL HELL!!  ::)
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Reply #8 Posted on: July 17, 2014, 03:56:14 PM

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Well it's up to preference. But each programming language has some differences that makes on objectively better than another. Like if you want to use pure C++, then it's usually much harder to compile (all the makefile business). If you want many data types built-in, then python can be better, but it's usually slower and I hate the syntax (that part is subjective). If you want to use a lot of matrices and higher level math, then Matlab is a lot better, but you won't render anything real-time with it. So right tool for the right job I suppose. Like if you want to make a 2D game, then it's hard for me to imagine something better than EDL/GML.

The right tool for the job Amen to that!

(in my humble opinion)

Easiest to learn : Python, Lua, Pascal

Easiest to compile : FPC by far

Best Syntax : Python

Most libraries : C++, Python (although that has less to do with the quality than with the popularity)


Of course C++ is the king :  it has semicolon on every line !  ;D  :D (I hope Robert will not read this !  ;) )

Pascal too has semicolon on almost every line, but it uses the {} for comments, so clearly it is king!  ;D
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Reply #9 Posted on: July 17, 2014, 10:23:47 PM

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I myself am a JavaScript evangelist, and make regular sacrifices to C++. I also hold the belief that Windows users are headed for hell, and Mac users are already there.
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Reply #10 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 01:33:29 AM

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lol Josh roflmao

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The more you stay in school the less prone to religious belief you are, and yet...
Yeah, or, the less prone you are to religious belief the more you stay in school.
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I think it was Leonardo da Vinci who once said something along the lines of "If you build the robots, they will make games." or something to that effect.

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Reply #11 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 10:25:51 AM

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lol Josh roflmao

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The more you stay in school the less prone to religious belief you are, and yet...
Yeah, or, the less prone you are to religious belief the more you stay in school.

Actually the more education, be it formal or self done the less prone you are to religious belief, some of my fellow atheists say that the more inteligent but that's not true, it has to do with knowledge not with IQ. So if like me you end up educating yourself the probability is still there.
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Reply #12 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 01:28:02 PM

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I think what Robert wanted to say is that the opposite is also true. If you are atheist or agnostic it's also more probable you will stay at school or pursue higher education (like in university). Because I also don't think that people at universities become atheists, it's more probable that it just solidifies their already hidden beliefs. But I guess it's true in all direction. It's just that the statistics are there, but I don't know if someone actually tried to figure it out.
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Reply #13 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 02:20:13 PM

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I think what Robert wanted to say is that the opposite is also true. If you are atheist or agnostic it's also more probable you will stay at school or pursue higher education (like in university). Because I also don't think that people at universities become atheists, it's more probable that it just solidifies their already hidden beliefs. But I guess it's true in all direction. It's just that the statistics are there, but I don't know if someone actually tried to figure it out.

Why do you believe the fundamentalist movement in the USA is always trying to destroy science and/or inject creationism in the classroom?

They know that a teenager, away from home, among people that do not share their fundamentalist point of view, and in contact with science is more likely to leave the group (not sure because you find medical doctors who are fundamentalists  :o ). Yes the less inclined towards religious fundamentalism you are the more likely you are to pursue an education, but that doesn't denies nor confirms the other premise, HighSchool, University and the internet are great destroyers of faith. The acces to the facts tends to have that impact on people.
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Reply #14 Posted on: July 18, 2014, 04:14:59 PM
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I myself am a JavaScript evangelist, and make regular sacrifices to C++. I also hold the belief that Windows users are headed for hell, and Mac users are already there.

Windows users went to hell and heaven back and forth (Me, Vista, ) now it's back in hell with windows 8.  Seems Windows is working on a tick-tock generation, heaven-hell-heaven-hell etc..... :P
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