I honestly was going to stop discussing this, but since you felt the need to add in your venom and your clueless, bloody ignorant, highly inflammatory, derogatory remarks below, I just can't sit there and not defend everything in them, you just forced my hand....
You think you have me figured out ? what the bloody hell is this, am I on trial here or is this a discussion ? Why would anybody in their right mind open topics on religion and yet feel the need to persecute and attack everyone who has beliefs ? Just because my religion and many religions have rapists, pedophiles and scammers in them does not give you the right to attack and label everyone in the same basket as I'm quite sure not EVERY pedophile / rapist / murderer is of a religion either.
You know nothing about me, and that goes for anybody else here. I am not the one here who started the whole religious topics, I'm the first person who said it was not a good idea to discuss religion on open forums, as lot of context can be lost in the writing or interpreted differently, if you knew me for years, in person you'd NEVER have guessed that I did believe in anything
But I still took part in said discussion because I thought people had an open mind here, guess I was wrong......
Don't BLOODY dare call me religious, you know nothing about me. You lot have a very disrespectful and arrogant stance against people with faith/beliefs, all labeling us into one group. I already made it clear how I feel about religion. I already made it clear that I am not even practicing my bloody religion or I wouldn't even be here arguing with you lot ! I don't go to church, haven't been in one in ages......... I'm the WORST of the worst examples of a religious person, so get the bloody hell over it already - ONE THING though I fully respect other people's religion or beliefs or non beliefs, I don't go around telling people to convert or this is right or wrong, unlike many of you atheists who always find a way to be on the defensive and utterly disrespect others with your rubbish.
In regards to science, again you are wrong. I DON'T want science to be wrong to suit my beliefs, quite the opposite, I'd be the first one to acknowledge any scientific explanations for thing. I'm an open minded person, and will never deny facts and science. However, since there is big money and big industries involved, there is obviously corruption, so one has to be careful being brainwashed both ways.
I like to question and see both sides of things.......when there is no definitive answer......I'm open to the possibility of some theories that our consciousness and EVERYTHING about our life is nothing more than electrical and chemical reactions in our brain, but also open to the possibility that there is more to life than our physical body and its physiological aspect/processes.
Did you eve bother read when I mention possibility ? Did I at any time say my views were the right ones and made conclusions ? NO.........Note the keyword possibility. I do have my beliefs in certain areas, but I DID mention I was on the fence on many things yet. Do I believe we are the only life out there in the open ? No. Do I believe in alien ? ghosts ? I never said I did........Do I believe our lives have meaning and that we are more than flesh ? I do....... PLEASE make the distinction , I did not SAY there IS something........... Some people go out there and turn their beliefs into facts and spread their crap on websites, tv shows, and write books, at no point in time did I do that.
can't a person express his views without being attacked around here !?!?!? Just because some of you had allegedly traumatic experiences doesn't mean you have to attack those who have beliefs especially when I was sympathetic and open to everything some of you said about your views (eds, did I ever bash you when you made your vicious comments ? No I even acknowledged and agreed with you in many areas!)
Wasn't I the one who mentioned that there is corruption/brainwash both sides ? Not all my remarks in regards to religion was kind, but you never bothered reading my bloody posts, as all you and others were doing is dissecting what you wanted to and finding ways to contradict and to go on the attack. WTH hate, is this a discussion or a religion war !?!?!?!?!?!? Is this atheists vs. believers ? I can't believe this.
Have you studied science ? Please share mate. If you think science has answers to everything, you probably did not pay attention in class. YES science has answers now that it did not 400 years ago, obviously, I'm not that fucking ignorant to deny it, but instead you degraded me and assumed that I would, who the bloody hell do you take me for ? You think I'm some bloody monk or religious freak wearing his rosary and sitting in a chair all day praising the Lord ? You mate are clueless if you think so.
And, no denying that perhaps science will come up with some answers, and I will be happy if they do! Wasn't I the first person who mentioned that I believe we are wasting our money spending billions on SETI or space programs, instead we should spend money where appropriate, medicine, humanity, etc, instead of spending billions searching for ETs ? I mentioned this more than once....... I do like the science aspect, I'm that person with an open mind. Many people in the scientific community also have beliefs sometimes many contradicting views with their own field ! How do I know ? I KNOW because many people in the field are close to me, I've worked with them, I've studied with them..... But not all are open about it. Do some doctors also have beliefs ? YES, I've come across some, yet they have to stick to what they know. Some doctors do believe in OBEs/NDEs, DESPITE medicine that can reproduce and explain many of its aspect (YES, wasn't I the first who acknowledged that ?) However, there are certain things yet unexplained. Doctors who work in the field have seen many things, and some do have beliefs, does it make them bad doctors ? No.
Essentially, the term BELIEF is used because there is no PROOF. It goes both ways.
What I stated were FACTS....In medicine, they don't have answers to everything, they might know a lot of "how" but can't always explain the "why". If we had all the answers, why the hell are there billions of $ spent on medical research, space exploration, space program, NASA, etc......it would be pointless to spend all that money for nothing don't you think ?
Wasn't I the FIRST person in this topic to admit that science thinks they have found the area of our brain responsible for our beliefs in a supreme being, (God area of the brain)........? FUNNY you might have skipped that ! Mind you these explanation don't negate any other possibilities out there, we might have some pieces of the puzzle, but the puzzle is far from being solved.
Wasn't I the first person to also mention all the hoaxes and scam behind religion and how it is used for corruption and brainwash around the world ? Would a religious closed minded person mention these words ? NEVER, so give me a break with your rubbish because your remarks are derogatory and unfair, and I can stoop to that level too if need be if I have to defend against such toss.
Damn this topic was busy. Won't elaborate on anything as it all stopped
It stopped until you started it again.... Nice job Harri !
You had to add in your venom, so you expect me to sit there and not respond to it ?
but just wanted Darkstar to think more about what he is saying in terms of science. I already mentioned that if you asked something that science can explains now, but couldn't 400 years ago to one of the earliest scientists, he won't be able to answer.
LOL ! More tosspot remarks.
Because I have given many examples and acknowledged this, if you bothered reading. I mentioned many times that science made advances, and has answers, but not to everything. I already gave a solid argument. Billions are spent on research each year, wouldn't that be pointless if we had answers to everything ?
What does it have to do with this ?
And the fact he isn't able to answer doesn't means science isn't able to answer. So if there is something science can't answer about brains right now, then how does that mean science can't answer it in general?
Science does not have ALL answers, otherwise we'd be way more advanced don't you think ? There would be no need to spend billions/trillions of $ on medical research, exploration, etc. Sure compared to 400 years ago there are lot of answers, never denied that.....and sure in the future we will probably know more, again depending on how much of it is blocked by corruption. I'm even willing to admit that perhaps science knows more than it lets out, and simply blocked by money and major influences.
Do I believe we can cure more diseases than currently possible ? YES....... Do I believe some people higher up know things they are not sharing ? YES....... DESPITE all that, I don't think we have answers to everything.
and we never will crack the complete mystery of life itself.
And if I ask you - if in 50 years they can answer your questions regarding brains, then will you suddenly think science can answer everything that is answerable?
If so I will acknowledge these answers the same as I do now. Won't change my beliefs though. I do go around preaching or changing people or scamming.....I don't bother anybody ! That's what separates a religious fanatic against someone with beliefs and open minded, I think you labeled me wrong mate.
You, just like many religious people today
If I didn't know better I could turn the tables and mention "You, just like other arrogant, self centered, condescending, disrespectful atheists......." would you like that ? I guess not. But I do know better because I know a lot of atheists, and luckily some are very respectful, open minded, and some of them have best friends who have beliefs and even some practicing their religion........We are all humans for FUCKsake.
and in previous decades, cling to yet unexplained as cause for science to be wrong. Because not that science is wrong, but because they NEED it to be wrong.
Again, LOL, generalising. Seems you lot have been brainwashed into thinking every person with beliefs or practicing their religion are fanatics.
They NEED it to be wrong or lacking, because otherwise there is no room for belief. So it's not really anything to do with science, it's about ones own inability to let go of his/her own beliefs.
Do I tell you to stop "NOT believing" and believe in something ? NO, do I tell you how to live your life ? No, so don't bloody tell me what I SHOULD or SHOULD NOT believe in,
it's your CHOICE to be an atheist......the same reason why some people are GAY and some people are LESBIANS.......Can you tell a GAY person to stop being GAY because it is "wrong"
tkg - I have no problems with you or anyone else.
You could've fooled me !
You seem to have problems with people thinking out of the box, open minded, open to POSSIBILITIES. Can faith/belief help people ? YES, is there use for that YES! Why the hell do you think placebos are used in studies, how can you explain they are effective to some extent ? What about all that think positive, believe in yourself crap........ Mind over matter right ? Seems to tie in well with what science knows about the brain and the connection between some of the things it could not answer before.
So is there something wrong with believing in something "more" our "outside" the box, no........it's healthy just so long as you don't attempt to change others or ruin your life over it and those of others...... UNFORTUNATELY, this might not be the case for a large % of people...........PROOF is in the news all over.......look what's happening in the middle east and other countries.
So perhaps this is why you lot are putting us all in the same basket. Still does not justify your shite remarks earlier though.
I don't like when 90% of topics in ENIGMA is filled with useless profanity though, as it kind of discredits the project.
But as I don't care about its popularity, then I don't care about the language used.
lol, if it's not popular the way you expect it, it's a far bigger issue than language. There is no excuse.......Forums can be moderated you know ? There is a nice thing called an admin area, and admin privileges, that's what moderating is for, and that's what RULES are for.
On that note, you can keep your vicious attacks and remarks against my character I will defend them, but one thing I will not respond to is anything about religion, God, etc. unless it is done without the constant blatant disrespect. One thing I do notice however, the dissing always seems to come from the "non believer" atheist side......at least on this forum
So am I supposed to just "STOP" and accept all this rubbish ? especially when it has turned from an open debate to a TRIAL and personal attacks ?