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Off-Topic / Re: Religious wars in the programming community
« on: July 18, 2014, 07:41:20 PM »
I don't remember anyone refering to you or anybody by name, so I don't know what got you so riled, anyway; and if you were a grade school dropout so what? Until a couple of weeks ago I myself was a higschool dropout (Had to) now I have my diploma and am planing on going to college (University),

Another TOPIC worth discussing alone is education.  There are many examples of people who did not finish high school who are billionaires and very successful people....yet there are people who have went far with their studies and are no better than the average person.  Some people are skilled and self taught and have become self made millionaires ! MANY examples of that.  Some of the most successful and richest people on the planet have not continued past high school.  Also keep in mind the % of people who stopped at high school, not by choice, but given circumstances as I'm sure you are aware.

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I'm 48 and for your information my IQ hasn't moved one bit since the day I reached 18 it's around 180 points, and it was the same when i did believe. I repeat: likely is just a posibility not a certainty.

possibility.  :)  And IQ of 180 are you sure about that ???  so you are a savant/genius then...... MENSA ????
Rare are people at the 150-160......180 ? probably 2 digits in an entire country, so you are a genius ! :D

Not really a genious, it takes more than IQ to be one, anyway I think that to be considered one by your IQ alone it must be over

Fuck! searching for the IQ chart I found out I must be wrong about the results!, will have to take another test!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_classification

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You're right, for all I know you could be an astrophisicist and still have religious beliefs, I think a small percentage of the people in that field do.

astrophysicist  or I could be a film producer / writer too :D

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Absolutely right, the hard sciences (math, physics, chemistry) along with biology hold the larger percentage of non believers. And you don't have to be a PhD on those fields, often is enough to read popular science books and magazines to deconvert.

Deconvert is not a valid word :D

but I know what you mean.  All you have to do is watch the news about the pedophiles, rapists, religious crimes, fanaticism, tv evangelism, enough to turn even the most religious person a non believer..... Outside influence can make or break you, not just studies or science.  I am disgusted by the fact but I know that what we see on TV and all the scam artists don,t represent the majority, only media is more likely to report the bad doers than the good doers. :D

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But since it doesn't drop to zero and the ones that do believe in a god are equally smart as the ones that don't your case would be easilly disproved.

Well intelligence and studies have nothing to do.  Some of the biggest world terro***ts have studied in University and have high IQ....only problem is that they used their abilities for evil instead of good.
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I don't think the majority of religious people are bad people, but I do think that all religions are bad.

They are bad because they were created by man kind and is responsible for the 90% of world conflicts and divisions.   We are all the same species, all the same.....who created the barriers that separate us (cultural, race, colour, religion, etc.) man kind, not a supreme being that's for sure.  So yeah, what do you expect from man's creation which is not perfect. :D

Remove religion from the equation and all of a sudden you just resolved 90% of world conflicts, wars, etc.

You can still believe in a supreme being (God for all) without being religious or practicing any religion.

Intelligence and studies have much to do, true some horrible people have been geniouses even but still not the majority of geniouses do horrible things, I suspect that the higher intelect allows you to better examine and predict the outcome of your actions.

Thakns for correcting my spelling, sorry but my mother tongue is spanish not english and is one of those things that I teached myself  ;)

They are bad for other reasons too but I will not discuss them with you, I don't want another flame.

You can believe in a supreme being without being part of organized religion, but believing in a supreme being is the kind of definition of religious, and yes you don't have to practice any religion to be religious; I think.

Cheers and peace out.

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Off-Topic / Re: Religious wars in the programming community
« on: July 18, 2014, 07:27:05 PM »
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Another thing people don't discuss much about is the environment you were brought up and around you, that has an influence as well. 
That is why more non-western countries need to be additionally examined. But the point is that in 2009 study US only 4% were without belief in general population, but 41% in science. That is a great difference that cannot in fact be explained by family's or places the person grow up in. That is the point all those studies try to make and figure out. (http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/)

Of course lol "science".  Are you surprised?

People who study the field will use science to try and find any logical explanation behind everything even if there is no concrete explanation.

You are sitting down watching the tely and all of a sudden you notice a shimmering white lite hovering across the room and zipping through your window.

Sure there must be a scientific explanation......:P

Most likely yes, but even if science ends up saying we don't know, that's not a reason to jump and say aliens!

Or doctor who treats a patient in the ER, patient flatlines, no brain activity, for several minutes.  Patient is revived and recalls the entire conversation with 100% accuracy amongst doctors, but also doctors in other rooms - SURE.....I guess there must be a logical explanation right, brain was dead during that time, no electrical activity whatsoever.

There has never been a demonstrated case of someone having no brain activity (Brain death) and comming back to life, flatliners yes, but you can flatline for some minutes without several damage to your brain. Since you are not dead, and your brain is functioning, so are your senses, since they are just electrical impulses that go from your nerves to your brain.

I think out of the percentage of non believers in science there could be the "I-don't-wanna-be-crazy" syndrome, where people deny and don't WANT to believe by fear of persecution by others.

SO instead they will compensate with scientific explanations even though they are not facts or proven !  i.e. oh it was just brain cells firing or chemical reaction at moment of death (even though they know no activity was shown!).

Maybe because that exact experiences can and have been recreated in a lab by stimulating the right frontal lobe of the brain with magnetism, and the people see god, a tunel, a bright light, and even aliens, depending on their beliefs.

People make science as absolute, when science only has answers to a fraction of questions.  Still science cannot explain 100% of our brain function, still don't know why certain things occur, etc.  MANY things science cannot explain.

Not that many things, but even if we really knew nothing it would not follow god (or the aliens) did it. Things science doesn't know yet:

How did life start? since the hypothesis of chemicals forming polymeres until those same polymers could replicated themselves hasn't been sufficiently investigated (because we don't know the exact climatic and chemical conditions of the earth back then), so it's still a hypothesis and not a theory (In science a theory is the graduation of an idea, there's no higher rung in the knowledge ladder).

What is the black matter? Is funny but is really energy but the scientists know didly squat about it

What is black energy? It's funny but it really is energy (WTF?) and the scientists know didly squat about it

These two things are over 90% of the known universe, so we as a species know didly squat about 90% of the cosmos, and yet there's no reason to shout: The scientists dont know? God did it!

If you reduce your God to a god of the gaps (Search the falacy) then your god is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance, and the more we know about the universe the more small and unnecessary he becomes.

Another problem that is making non believers is hoaxes and charlatanism, some people are using religion as a propaganda tool and making it an industry full of hoax and scams.

Some people? In my humble opinion all organized religion is a scam (note the word organized? it means the institutions and their employes, not the believer)

Now in medical science, there is a specific area of interest, our "God" part of our brain. It is believed that we are hard wired, and that belief in a God/Supreme being is the result of that area in our brain.  STILL does not explain all the mysteries - how come some people all of a sudden can heal of terminal illness that otherwise would be impossible / unlikely in medicine.....where illness has gone and vanished as if it were never there.  How to explain that some people have amazing abilities / talents so young in age and seem to have knowledge of things they never could possibly have known, through regressive hypnosis.  All these cases are documented by science yet still cannot be explained.

Documented by science? where? Child prodigys do exist, and so do savants (people with severe authism that are geniouses in some field without studying), but this doesn't prove god nor the aliens.

People recovering from terminal illness, yes I know it does happen, you sure you want to make the case for god based in that?
Why doesn't he heal then all the babies and children? I'm sure their parents can be teached whatever important lesson in other less painful ways.

As many of you may have guessed by now, I'm not of this earth.  I'm born on planet Krypelius-46, it's a planet very similar to earth, in distant galaxies apart.  We have much the same problems you humans are facing, we have the same beliefs, same wars, etc, some believe we might be a clone or parallel / shadow universe, but I can tell you humans that you are not alone on earth.  There are infinite amounts of "earths" out there and even on other planets they also have the same mysteries, unanswered.  We are not aliens per se, as depicted by media, but human beings, living in other galaxies and universes. YES those exist,  Life is not limited to a point in space/time. You have ALWAYS existed and ALWAYS will continue to exist simultaneously across the infinite space.
Death is only an illusion.  The version of me born on my planet is gone as I expired (what you humans call death) - at that instant my existence continues but this time on your earth, but I never ceased to exist.

FUNNY, now you are quoting scientific hypothesis (the multiverse, the permanent universe, panspermia, among others)

Energy does not die only flesh.

Energy does not die true, tu die something needs to be alive, and energy is not alive; we know when something is alive, it feels, it eats, it reproduces, it grows, it dies; so it follows that yes flesh dies.

Your science cannot explain stuff but I can tell you, warp holes do exist, time travel IS possible and exists, parallel universes DO exist, and you are not alone.

On that note,
Cheers.

:D

Warp holes, if I understood that book about quantum physics correctly, are indeed possible, not sure how likely but possible yes.

Time travel is possible, yes science tells us that, it's only impraticable by us in the current state of our knowledge, parallel universes or the multiverse have been postulated as posible explanations as to what was there before the bigbang (The worst name for a theory ever).

We are not alone... If you mean aliens do exist, yes is so probable that it's almost a certanty, do they visit earth? I don't think so:

Why would they? To study us? If they can traverse the universe (Engines to travel faster than light? Warp holes?) they are so far ahead of us that they more likely than  not would see us as just ants.

If they came they more likely would follow the rule of an advanced civilization encountering a less advanced one and conquer us.

Any way cheers and peace out.  ;)

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Off-Topic / Re: Religious wars in the programming community
« on: July 18, 2014, 06:53:32 PM »
@Darkstar2:

No man the study (I will give you a link when I find it again) says just that the more you study the less likely you are to be a religious person, not that everybody that goes to college or the university throws away their faith, or that only dumb and uneducated people have some sort of religious belief.

Yeah the less likely but not for the reasons most people think.  Because most of the time you are too damn busy and flooded with work and assignments you barely have time to eat, sleep and wank let alone think of religion or go to church, and yes I know because I've been there, or did you lot assume I did not go farther than grade school because I believe in God ? LOL.

I don't remember anyone refering to you or anybody by name, so I don't know what got you so riled, anyway; and if you were a grade school dropout so what? Until a couple of weeks ago I myself was a higschool dropout (Had to) now I have my diploma and am planing on going to college (University), I'm 48 and for your information my IQ hasn't moved one bit since the day I reached 18 it's around 180 points, and it was the same when i did believe. I repeat: likely is just a posibility not a certainty.

I would be disappointed otherwise so yeah, most of the time you are spent studying, work, studying, work, studying, and then there is the social aspect, so too busy to be "religious" so to speak, but no matter how busy one can be does not mean you don't believe!. Again I repeat for the millionth time, I am not a religious person, I'm the last person who will be pushing religion lol.  But I believe we are all created from the  same, it's just that man kind made religion, and all the cultural barriers that separate us......Not all of us believers are grade school educated monks you know :P  I could be a well educated ER doctor that believes in God and goes to church from time to time.....

You're right, for all I know you could be an astrophisicist and still have religious beliefs, I think a small percentage of the people in that field do.

What is the % of people who continue past high school ? small percentage...... It's been a long time I have seen figures, but last time I saw figures it was about 11-14%, I don't know about US figures, it's probably around those or higher.....So are the majority % of those high school educated people all religious ? Not necessarily.

Well you see... Yes the majority of the people with higschool or less education ARE religious, while the higher you go on the education scale the percentage drops until it asyntotes around 5% religious (I think that is the number), versus 95% non-religious, so although there hasn't been enough studies to demonstrate causality the correlation does exist. When I say non- religious I mean either declared agnostics or declared atheists, not people that do not go to church.

There again maybe it depends what you are studying, maybe if your field is studying medicine, science, etc, you might be less LIKELY to be religious, some would say,
 HOWEVER, I know people in the field who are religious / believers.  In medicine there are documented cases that defy any medical science / explanation or anything taught in med school.  In fact some non believers became believers, and the other way around too.   Another thing people don't discuss much about is the environment you were brought up and around you, that has an influence as well. 

Absolutely right, the hard sciences (math, physics, chemistry) along with biology hold the larger percentage of non believers. And you don't have to be a PhD on those fields, often is enough to read popular science books and magazines to deconvert.

Instead of us believers being the target of atheist as if we were fucking criminals when all we are doing is minding our business and not pushing our crap on anybody (believer does not necessarily mean fanatic!) perhaps you lot should target those CRIMINALS, those charlatans ministers and TV evangelist who run their SCAMS on TV to lure the suckers !   Or a certain religion where people KILL in the name of their God, claiming any people outside their religion is evil and must be exterminated.....FUNNY how people don't put much emphasis on that, and instead label anybody who believes in a God / Supreme being as being a nutter.
You humans are so odd in your way of thinking.....

FUNNY how nobody said anything negative about religious people (And we could have, you yourself just provided some excelent examples), we just stated a curious fact, and notice how I never say more inteligent always is more educated (IN school I mean) because I know that a high IQ
 doesn't say anything about your beliefs, of course you could make the case that since among the scientific community (the most inteligent people in the planet), when you reach the top layers, the ones likely to get a nobel prize, the less religious they are about a 5% as I already said.

But since it doesn't drop to zero and the ones that do believe in a god are equally smart as the ones that don't your case would be easilly disproved.

Once again chill out and don't take us to seriously and never take anything as a personal atack unless it is directed to you, you know as if somebody said hey edsquare you are a M***erF***er, then it would be within reason to asume that an attack is directed at me, but if someone says some atheists are rapists, the most I could do is ask for the source where that person extracted the info to make such claim.

I don't think the majority of religious people are bad people, but I do think that all religions are bad.

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EDIT: Since TheExDeus already and kndly posted the links and helped clarifying the issue I hope we are cool.

Sure it was never an issue. :D

It sure sounded like an issue to me.

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Works in Progress / Norse Adventures planing stage
« on: July 18, 2014, 05:58:11 PM »
Found a really good viking sprite and I'm planing on using it as the main character for a game, let's see what you think.


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Off-Topic / Re: Religious wars in the programming community
« on: July 18, 2014, 05:07:08 PM »
@Darkstar2:

No man the study (I will give you a link when I find it again) says just that the more you study the less likely you are to be a religious person, not that everybody that goes to college or the university throws away their faith, or that only dumb and uneducated people have some sort of religious belief.

Chill out and read carefully, do not jump to conclusions, the operating and key word is likely.

Peace out.

EDIT: Since TheExDeus already and kndly posted the links and helped clarifying the issue I hope we are cool.

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Off-Topic / Re: Religious wars in the programming community
« on: July 18, 2014, 02:20:13 PM »
I think what Robert wanted to say is that the opposite is also true. If you are atheist or agnostic it's also more probable you will stay at school or pursue higher education (like in university). Because I also don't think that people at universities become atheists, it's more probable that it just solidifies their already hidden beliefs. But I guess it's true in all direction. It's just that the statistics are there, but I don't know if someone actually tried to figure it out.

Why do you believe the fundamentalist movement in the USA is always trying to destroy science and/or inject creationism in the classroom?

They know that a teenager, away from home, among people that do not share their fundamentalist point of view, and in contact with science is more likely to leave the group (not sure because you find medical doctors who are fundamentalists  :o ). Yes the less inclined towards religious fundamentalism you are the more likely you are to pursue an education, but that doesn't denies nor confirms the other premise, HighSchool, University and the internet are great destroyers of faith. The acces to the facts tends to have that impact on people.

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General ENIGMA / Re: I made a install script for Ubuntu.
« on: July 18, 2014, 02:14:10 PM »
The old version does not install nor create desktop sortcut  :(

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Off-Topic / Re: Religious wars in the programming community
« on: July 18, 2014, 10:25:51 AM »
lol Josh roflmao

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The more you stay in school the less prone to religious belief you are, and yet...
Yeah, or, the less prone you are to religious belief the more you stay in school.

Actually the more education, be it formal or self done the less prone you are to religious belief, some of my fellow atheists say that the more inteligent but that's not true, it has to do with knowledge not with IQ. So if like me you end up educating yourself the probability is still there.

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Programming Help / Re: Make sprite run through a loop (like sonic)
« on: July 17, 2014, 10:57:09 PM »
If you are looking to calculate the speed you must be going, you can do that by comparing the centripetal acceleration to your gravitational constant. The centripetal acceleration is given by sqr(speed) / loop.radius. So assuming you're using a gravity constant of one pixel per frame per frame, all you want is if (sqr(speed) / loop.radius < 1) path_end(loop.path);, or whatever logic you need to stop following the loop.

You'll probably find that this calculation is too realistic for your actual game to be able to use it, (it turns out you have to be moving pretty damn fast to stay on a loop by your own force), so feel free to tone down the gravitational constant for that equation. :P

Thank you!

You sir a a true scholar and a gentleman!  :)

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The reason it's labeled "Ubuntu" and not "Linux in general" is not really to do with the package format, since it doesn't use it (which is probably a good idea, because nobody downloads and installs packages off the internet, they use a package manager). The real reason is that they test it on Ubuntu, with its particular set of libraries and versions- there is a lot of variation there between distros. Steam officially supports Ubuntu for the same reason.

True dat  :D

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Programming Help / Re: Make sprite run through a loop (like sonic)
« on: July 17, 2014, 05:56:04 PM »
You can just load a gmk. It's a GM file format.

yea I know that, what I want to know is how to see what they did to make it work.

As when you open a C++ file, if you know the language you can read it (If it's well commented)  ::)

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Programming Help / Re: Make sprite run through a loop (like sonic)
« on: July 17, 2014, 05:20:50 PM »
You can also look at this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9WJDy02LUs (https://www.sendspace.com/file/wbh4kw)
It doesn't have loops though.

That game doesn't have loops true but sonic runs around a circle, from the outside!

Downloaded the engine, its a gmk, how can I see the code or D&D they used in it?

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Programming Help / Re: Make sprite run through a loop (like sonic)
« on: July 17, 2014, 04:08:11 PM »
@Darkstar2: Thanks mate! not sure about the implementation yet but will give it a shake trying your tips.   :eng101:

@TheExDeus: Thanks bro! Will have to check that x/y stuff myself, and also box2d.  :eng101:

As you may have guessed this is for my remake of Open Surge on Enigma.

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Off-Topic / Re: Religious wars in the programming community
« on: July 17, 2014, 03:56:14 PM »
Well it's up to preference. But each programming language has some differences that makes on objectively better than another. Like if you want to use pure C++, then it's usually much harder to compile (all the makefile business). If you want many data types built-in, then python can be better, but it's usually slower and I hate the syntax (that part is subjective). If you want to use a lot of matrices and higher level math, then Matlab is a lot better, but you won't render anything real-time with it. So right tool for the right job I suppose. Like if you want to make a 2D game, then it's hard for me to imagine something better than EDL/GML.

The right tool for the job Amen to that!

(in my humble opinion)

Easiest to learn : Python, Lua, Pascal

Easiest to compile : FPC by far

Best Syntax : Python

Most libraries : C++, Python (although that has less to do with the quality than with the popularity)


Of course C++ is the king :  it has semicolon on every line !  ;D  :D (I hope Robert will not read this !  ;) )

Pascal too has semicolon on almost every line, but it uses the {} for comments, so clearly it is king!  ;D

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Off-Topic / Re: Religious wars in the programming community
« on: July 17, 2014, 03:52:30 PM »
Well it's up to preference. But each programming language has some differences that makes on objectively better than another. Like if you want to use pure C++, then it's usually much harder to compile (all the makefile business). If you want many data types built-in, then python can be better, but it's usually slower and I hate the syntax (that part is subjective). If you want to use a lot of matrices and higher level math, then Matlab is a lot better, but you won't render anything real-time with it. So right tool for the right job I suppose. Like if you want to make a 2D game, then it's hard for me to imagine something better than EDL/GML.

We all know C++ is king right ? :P

They even have such a thing as programming hell and coding heaven too ! (I thought you'd get a kick out of that eds ! LOL!).

Well on windows you do have a hell...


DLL HELL!!  ::)

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