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Title: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Goombert on July 30, 2014, 12:09:12 AM
Is Macintosh the most counter-intuitive operating system in the world? Let's examine the evidence.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: edsquare on July 30, 2014, 12:20:41 AM
OS-X is a ripoff of BSD, since their license at the time did allowed for you to take the code and close it it's not illegal, also they used the community for a while to help them develop the OS as they wanted it (For a while you could donload OSX Darwin source code) and when it was stable enough they closed it and gave the community the finger.

For those reasons and the price tag on any mac product I say...

FUCK THEM!
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Darkstar2 on July 30, 2014, 12:49:10 AM
I don't recommend putting your dick on the keyboard Robert...... ;D

But yeah I agree, I cannot stand those gesture ridden ****ot operating systems.

Not an APPLE or MAC person myself, so yeah I agree with you home slice !  :pseudo:
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Rusky on July 30, 2014, 10:28:21 AM
You can still download the Darwin/XNU source code (https://www.opensource.apple.com/) and it's not like they just rebranded some BSD distro without writing any of their own code.

It also turns out that every time I look for machines with specs equivalent to Apple hardware, whether it's off-the-shelf or putting it together myself from parts, I hit the same price points.

Hate on two-finger-right-click all you want, but you're making crap up.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: edsquare on July 30, 2014, 10:39:30 AM
You can still download the Darwin/XNU source code (https://www.opensource.apple.com/) and it's not like they just rebranded some BSD distro without writing any of their own code.

Even if they had rebranded it it would still be legal. Did they write some code? Yes! they certainly did, and also people from the opensource community contributed to it, only when it was stable enough did they closed the source. Didn't know you could still find the source for Darwin, my bad.

It also turns out that every time I look for machines with specs equivalent to Apple hardware, whether it's off-the-shelf or putting it together myself from parts, I hit the same price points.

Really? Here in México I checked the prices for a similar box that I was going to ensamble myself and it did cost a lot more than the machine I ended up buying but nowhere near the price of a MAC, hell I could buy an Alienware box and still save a few bucks!

Hate on two-finger-right-click all you want, but you're making crap up.

I do not hate two-finger-right-click (never have used a mac), neither am I making shit up, Everything Mac did was legal but not completely ethical.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Goombert on July 30, 2014, 03:46:27 PM
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hell I could buy an Alienware box and still save a few bucks!
Couldn't agree more.

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Everything Mac did was legal but not completely ethical.
Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: TheExDeus on July 30, 2014, 04:18:15 PM
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It also turns out that every time I look for machines with specs equivalent to Apple hardware, whether it's off-the-shelf or putting it together myself from parts, I hit the same price points.
In the part of EU I live I also can usually assemble a better PC with the cost of MAC. Or a cheaper one with the same power as a MAC. Even my current rig was cheaper than a mac, yet as powerful or even more so than many mac's.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Goombert on July 30, 2014, 05:00:20 PM
lol, Harri you are actually arguing against what he is saying. You're suggesting Mac is overpriced and he is suggesting Mac is priced in the interest of the consumer with little or not commission.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: TheExDeus on July 30, 2014, 05:45:01 PM
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lol, Harri you are actually arguing against what he is saying. You're suggesting Mac is overpriced and he is suggesting Mac is priced in the interest of the consumer with little or not commission.
That was my point. I wasn't agreeing with him. I was agreeing with ED^2.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Rusky on July 30, 2014, 05:53:19 PM
What community-written code ended up in OS X that is now inaccessible and/or not still part of an open source project?

What parts or product are you using to beat which Mac?

I don't really care about your opinion on Mac's right click functionality, just the false claims.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: edsquare on July 30, 2014, 06:07:30 PM
What community-written code ended up in OS X that is now inaccessible and/or not still part of an open source project?

Since it's closed source we cannot know can we?, But that's not the point, did they use community writen code on the development of their closed source OS or not? If you or I can download said code can we then develop an OS-X compatible distro? In opensource projects you take and you give back, if you close it how can we know what upgrades you did to the community's code that you are not releasing? Illegal? I doubt it. Unethical? Youbetcha!

What parts or product are you using to beat which Mac?

I don't remember right now but it's not that hard to find out, will do so in a couple of days, same power all around and we can check prices.

I don't really care about your opinion on Mac's right click functionality, just the false claims.


Okey.

EDIT:

Challenge accepted  :D

Look here: http://lifehacker.com/5919132/build-the-mac-pro-that-you-wish-apple-released (http://lifehacker.com/5919132/build-the-mac-pro-that-you-wish-apple-released)

And here: http://www.tonymacx86.com/section/295-customac.html (http://www.tonymacx86.com/section/295-customac.html)

Not exactly the same machines is true but, most mac users, if given one in the mac case with a hackintosh install wouldn't know the difference, another advantage the clone has is that I get to choose my OS And change it whenever I fill like it, without having to kiss steve's ass!
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Rusky on July 30, 2014, 07:09:29 PM
You claim the community contributed code which was later closed off. I claim that did not happen, and that community contributed code was and is still part of open source projects like LLVM, coreutils, etc.

Macs have had Boot Camp since 2006, so you get to choose the OS there too. OS X is also free (used to be around $25-30), unlike Windows which is included in the price of all the off-the-shelf PCs you might compare with and is far from free in custom-built setups. Further, OS X is much more stable on Apple hardware than <insert OS here> on <insert hardware here>, so dual booting on a Mac is strictly better compatibility-wise than dual booting with hackintosh.

Here are the things the entry-level lifehacker build lacks that the Mac Pro they compared with has:
Xeon rather than i7 (bigger CPU cache, more hardware threads, higher upgrade ceiling)
ECC RAM
Twice as much available RAM space (64Gb vs 32Gb)
Two GPUs rather than one
Faster SSD: http://macperformanceguide.com/MacPro2013-performance-SSD.html
6 Thunderbolt ports rather than 2

The effect of these differences may or may not be a big deal for your use case, but when it does make a difference and you need those features, you'll pay the same for hardware whether you go with a Mac or not.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: edsquare on July 30, 2014, 07:53:34 PM
Yea I know about bootcamp, still don't want a mac with windows nor with linux, you forget that in most cases macs come with less usb ports, and in some cases without a cd/dvd combo because fuck the user, they have to use their (ours really  ;) ) machines the way we tell them.

Did you check the price of the CPUs? I could buy the xeon and save money (10 to 20 bucks), have you seen a mac while open? I have, it's a nightmare to upgrade, also the ram slots... how much would a different motherboard cost you? about 50 extra bucks?

The price difference is around 1000 bucks if I remeber correctly, search the bits and do the math maybe youll save less but don't tell me mac's are sold at price and with the OS on top. Please, that's a fantasy.

Make the comparison but don't make it in the most expensive stores, go where you can buy the same stuff but cheapper, and I'm not suggesting low end anything, same brand, same model better price. If here in México is possible to save about 400 bucks in a regular pc by putting it together yourself at least I could save the same amount on a mac clone.

There was a time when a mac was something special, when their hardware was special because they didn't use the same hardware that other pc's, then a mac was faster than machines with more ram and bigger gpu's, why? lots of stuff was done at hardware level instead of at OS level hence the speed gain. In those days a mac was the machine for graphic design, much as irix was the os for movie fx and 3d animation, those days are gone.

Mac's are still good machines but a little bit overpriced, and if you dont save half or more is because you'll buy one case, one motherboard, one cpu and so on, something manufacturers don't do, the buy in bulck and save because of that.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Josh @ Dreamland on July 30, 2014, 10:31:48 PM
It comes down to a matter of philosophy. What could be simpler than one giant button?

(http://www.oldapplestuff.com/Images/Apple2Hardware/MouseFlat.jpg)

This philosophy continues to be a big part of Apple's R&D:


You shouldn't be mad at them for running off with BSD, though; BSD devs aren't. They do give back, as needed. They just don't help with, eg, X11's huge set of ancient problems. In fact, they've ruined X11 on OS X. Rather than write wrappers for it and GTK (assuming that'd even be needed if they offered a full X11 API), they've decided to just write a shitty window adapter, which has to be run as a separate process any time you want to open anything GTK.

From a structure standpoint, OS X is vastly superior to Windows. For example, creating a button is not a kernel operation in OS X. From a usability standpoint... well, Snow Leopard is an improvement over Leopard which is a MASSIVE improvement over Tiger, which made my unfortunate existence a living hell with its astounding unintuitiveness and general brokenness. Of course, I was the tech guy, so all of everyone's problems were my problems and so I am likely to hold some kind of bias. As someone who is particularly picky about my windowing environment, I also find Tiger's window manager to be worthless, featureless garbage. Leopard vastly improved on that, but the whole system still leaves a lot to be desired. I'd put Snow Leopard < Windows 7 < Unity < Every other Linux DE < GNOME 3 < Cinnamon < XFCE < GNOME 2 (Note that in general XFCE is the best due to its extreme customizability, but I really loved the features available in a default GNOME 2 install).
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: edsquare on July 30, 2014, 11:53:37 PM
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I really loved the features available in a default GNOME 2 install

Me too, a shame they fucked up gnome3 so badly, unity stinks, I hate KDE, mate isn't ready yet, cinnamon is the only real alternative to gnome2, I also love some bits and stuff of xcfe and lxde but... neither ever felt as intuitive as gnome2 did, lets see if when they finish porting lxde to qt it's still usable. About Mac's and windows desktop experience, funny how they have been around since forever, both come from multibillion companies and yet they can't compete in usability with the opensource community.

Unity sucks big time! Did I mention that? What kind of fucktard makes a desktop look and behave like a phone? In a Phone or tablet you have very little desktop real-state so you need something like unity, but in my desktop I don't want your fucking retarded "hot corners" nor your stupid menu whatchamacallit where you can't find anything easily, and to top it all you insult me by putting a "fallback" mode that supossedly works like Gnome2? FUCK YOU!
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Darkstar2 on July 31, 2014, 12:44:19 AM
lol - then you must not be a fan of WinBlowJobs 8....when they shafted desktop users by forcing a gay mobile interface down their bloody throats ..... I call it the N.O.M.M.F.D syndrome (Not On My MFing Desktop). Hopefully with Windows 9 coming out in 2015 they will have learned not to merge mobile fagness into desktop.  Long live windows 7.

Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Goombert on July 31, 2014, 01:36:14 AM
Quote from: Rusky
I don't really care about your opinion on Mac's right click functionality, just the false claims.
I never made any.

Quote from: Rusky
Further, OS X is much more stable on Apple hardware than <insert OS here> on <insert hardware here>, so dual booting on a Mac is strictly better compatibility-wise than dual booting with hackintosh.
I don't disagree, that's not really that unexpected however, of course it runs better on the hardware they designed, tested, and anticipated it to run on.

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The effect of these differences may or may not be a big deal for your use case, but when it does make a difference and you need those features, you'll pay the same for hardware whether you go with a Mac or not.
Woz is the bigger man in every regard, I do like Apple just not their products. Regardless of how you feel about patent rights etc etc there has been a lot of nice innovation come out of Apple, see the magnetic power cords.

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Mac's are still good machines but a little bit overpriced,
They've always been overpriced, this is nothing new, see Lisa.

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This philosophy continues to be a big part of Apple's R&D:
You never cease to amaze me, you always know just the right thing to say like 99% of the time.

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From a structure standpoint, OS X is vastly superior to Windows.
Because it's fucking BSD/Linux, so of course it's superior to Windows.

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What kind of fucktard makes a desktop look and behave like a phone?
Steve Ballmer
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: edsquare on July 31, 2014, 02:00:21 AM
lol - then you must not be a fan of WinBlowJobs 8....when they shafted desktop users by forcing a gay mobile interface down their bloody throats ..... I call it the N.O.M.M.F.D syndrome (Not On My MFing Desktop). Hopefully with Windows 9 coming out in 2015 they will have learned not to merge mobile fagness into desktop.  Long live windows 7.

Wouldn't know, the last windows I have used is windows7, a vast improvement over the steaming pile of shit Vista was, and yet made me miss XP. Every time they "innovate", they make me glad I switched to Gnu-Linux some years ago, not only I'm virus free, but also adware, spyware, trojans, worms and whatnot. And in top of that I get tons of professional grade software for free! Blender, Gimp, Inkscape, LibreOffice, and lots and lots more I don't use (actually blender haven't been able to really use it for lack of ram  :( )

About rapping your user base's throats with a mobile interface on a desktop, M$ didn't innovate, they only did what Ubuntu did first with their fucktarded Unity. Boy was that an ugly, useless, convoluted, overcomplicated desktop experience, it was this shit along with a series of mysterious crashes ( a la BSOD) that made me start testing distros again after more than 5 years of sticking with ubuntu. If not for the stupid policy Debian has of not making the users life easier (when ubuntu and others have demonstrated it is possible), and their constant two to 5 years outdated repositories (for the stable release) it would be the ultimate distro (in my opinion); so I settled on LinuxMint; a descendant of ubuntu, that, inspite of it's genetics, works better than it's mother and has cinnamon and mate as default installs, tried both and ended preferring cinnamon, that's a Unity without the retarded bits.  :D
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Rusky on July 31, 2014, 10:05:13 AM
Robert- I was calling out the thread in general, not you in particular.

Of course you'll spend a bit less building the same machine yourself, I never claimed otherwise. But for many people (IT departments, people without the time to learn how to build a PC, experts in other fields that need to do their real jobs, etc) that's not an option, so they pay for having it put together. That applies whether you get a Mac or not, and when you compare a pre-built Mac to a pre-built PC with the same specs, you'll get the same price. When you compare custom-built PC to pre-built Mac with the same specs you'll still get pretty close. In my experience a lot of the savings of building your own PC is from being able to build exactly what you want rather than having to overshoot.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: TheExDeus on July 31, 2014, 11:16:06 AM
Sadly Apple products are not customizable when you buy them, so I cannot compare 1:1 with a regular PC. And Apple has a "niche" in art and whatnot (diminishing though), because people don't really buy macs for office desktop or gaming. You can by a decent office PC for 400$, and a VERY decent gaming PC for 1500$, while the cheapest Mac Pro was 2999$, and no, it wasn't 33% faster. I would say you can build a performance wise comparable PC about 20% cheaper than an equivalent mac.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Rusky on July 31, 2014, 11:25:09 AM
Mac Pros are relatively customizable just like other towers (maybe a bit less with the motherboard), and Mac laptops and all-in-ones are no less customizable than PC versions of the same product. There's no need to perpetuate the myth of Macs as over-priced, non-customizable, locked-down machines. iOS devices sure, but Macs are just high-end machines with fancy designs- get a $2999 PC and it won't be 33% faster than a $1500 PC either.

Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: time-killer-games on July 31, 2014, 12:33:46 PM
Rusky is so excited he just can't hide it. It's okay Rusky, we know you're an Apple fan deep down, we still love you. :D
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: TheExDeus on July 31, 2014, 01:04:31 PM
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, but Macs are just high-end machines with fancy designs- get a $2999 PC and it won't be 33% faster than a $1500 PC either.
It might, because you could easily buy more ram, sli a GPU or two. Can you have 2 Titans in SLI in Mac? Can you even have Nvidia cards in a Mac? Apple themselves don't provide that. So things like CUDA for scientific stuff is off the table. That is why Mac's are not used for science, even though Apple tries to prove otherwise in their public material.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: edsquare on July 31, 2014, 01:18:17 PM
Rusky is so excited he just can't hide it. It's okay Rusky, we know you're an Apple fan deep down, we still love you. :D

LOL!  ;D

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, but Macs are just high-end machines with fancy designs- get a $2999 PC and it won't be 33% faster than a $1500 PC either.
It might, because you could easily buy more ram, sli a GPU or two. Can you have 2 Titans in SLI in Mac? Can you even have Nvidia cards in a Mac? Apple themselves don't provide that. So things like CUDA for scientific stuff is off the table. That is why Mac's are not used for science, even though Apple tries to prove otherwise in their public material.

In my humble opinion there are 3 main reasons why somebody would buy a MAC:

1.- Some one convinced you it's the ultimate machine, with the ultimate OS and none of the weaknes of Windoze (This presuposes you know didly squat about linux).

2.- You work as a graphic designer/digital artist/designing publications or something along those lines, the software you use works on MAC or on Windoze and you don't want to risk viruses and all the other fauna of windoze.

3.- To show off that you have a great looking (no denying that) machine, that you can afford it, that you're cool, etc.

My humble opinion is that only number 2 is a real reason, but I could be wrong, and there could be other reasons why someone would buy a MAC.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: time-killer-games on July 31, 2014, 01:23:59 PM
Steve is already there, since I mean he's dead so.. I've heared rumors of Bill's death, but I think it's just an internet prank.

Edit.

Edsquare I completely agree with your above post. Most people do it out of the ignorance, "sexy" and "slick" look, and of course "bragging rights" associated with being well off and able to afford the expensive brandname. As for the virus argument, if everything you want to download is on the Ubuntu Software Center, screw crapple, no virus issue just that easy (Linux has much less virus issues than Mac).
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Darkstar2 on July 31, 2014, 02:32:36 PM
2.- You work as a graphic designer/digital artist/designing publications or something along those lines, the software you use works on MAC or on Windoze and you don't want to risk viruses and all the other fauna of windoze.

Actually this was quite true ages ago, and not only that, for film editors.   There was a time where you could never dare think of using NLE (non linear editing) software on a PC back in the days......MAC was industry standard for film makers. 

But things have changed quite a lot and software has gone long ways now.  I've personally been in that industry and done some very labour intensive work (audio/visual / non linear editing, rendering, etc....) on a PC and never had stability issues.  It all comes down to choosing the right PC components......quality power supply, quality RAM, quality motherboard & chipset, quality motherboard components, etc.etc.... Most people I know in the field used MACs, but a lot now use PCs, including myself.  But still know some people using MACs.

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My humble opinion is that only number 2 is a real reason, but I could be wrong, and there could be other reasons why someone would buy a MAC.

Some people really amaze me when they use the virus/malware as an argument not knowing that it was a myth that MACs are immune from those, there is documented proof otherwise.....if MAC took a large part of the market things would be different.
There were valid reasons I agree, SHITTY OS, SHITTY stability for the part.  Luckily I had the means to buy decent hardware when I began doing audio, video, graphic, edit work.....but had I rewound many many years earlier I would have definitely done that on a MAC.

Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Darkstar2 on July 31, 2014, 02:37:48 PM
Steve is already there, since I mean he's dead so.. I've heared rumors of Bill's death, but I think it's just an internet prank.

:P
I think Bill will end up there first, not Steve :D  Bill for giving us Win VISTA and for all the scandals and fiasco he carried with it.  Guess we can't blame him for Wincrap 8 and the genius idea to merge mobile / tablet into PC desktop :P but anyhow.
Bill donated lot of money and did good so yeah, he's probably making some OSes in some parallel universe :D

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Edsquare I completely agree with your above post. Most people do it out of the ignorance, "sexy" and "slick" look, and of course "bragging rights" associated with being well off and able to afford the expensive brandname.

Yeah the type of people who judge looks and what's on the outside and brag about their "b0x"....Can't stand those people.  I know people around me who spend more money on their bloody case than what's inside it's crazy......$1000 case, leds, lights, :P

I focus on what's INSIDE, my case is just a standard beige tower LOL! FUCK the bloody looks I rather brag about what's inside it than the outside look and whoever is not happy with it can kiss my arse! :D

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As for the virus argument, if everything you want to download is on the Ubuntu Software Center, screw crapple, no virus issue just that easy (Linux has much less virus issues than Mac).

I agree with this 100%
:D
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: edsquare on July 31, 2014, 02:52:42 PM
Steve is already there, since I mean he's dead so.. I've heared rumors of Bill's death, but I think it's just an internet prank.

Edit.

Edsquare I completely agree with your above post. Most people do it out of the ignorance, "sexy" and "slick" look, and of course "bragging rights" associated with being well off and able to afford the expensive brandname. As for the virus argument, if everything you want to download is on the Ubuntu Software Center, screw crapple, no virus issue just that easy (Linux has much less virus issues than Mac).

Actually, is not that linux/bsd/hurd are really inmune to viruses (although in linux given the design and a correct use of it (never navigate with the administrator but with a user) you can kiis them good bye, it's more the built in security and the lack of interest on the people that make the viruses.

2.- You work as a graphic designer/digital artist/designing publications or something along those lines, the software you use works on MAC or on Windoze and you don't want to risk viruses and all the other fauna of windoze.

Actually this was quite true ages ago, and not only that, for film editors.   There was a time where you could never dare think of using NLE (non linear editing) software on a PC back in the days......MAC was industry standard for film makers. 

But things have changed quite a lot and software has gone long ways now.  I've personally been in that industry and done some very labour intensive work (audio/visual / non linear editing, rendering, etc....) on a PC and never had stability issues.  It all comes down to choosing the right PC components......quality power supply, quality RAM, quality motherboard & chipset, quality motherboard components, etc.etc.... Most people I know in the field used MACs, but a lot now use PCs, including myself.  But still know some people using MACs.

The fact of the matter is that the most of the same software that runs on MAC now exists for windoze, although linux has free alternatives they are not the swiss army knife you may be used to, sometimes having to resort to 2, 3, or more applications to do the same stuff you did on your mac software, this coupled with the time you nedd to learn 3 different tools instead of keep using the same one on windoze gives the latter the edge against linux.

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My humble opinion is that only number 2 is a real reason, but I could be wrong, and there could be other reasons why someone would buy a MAC.

Some people really amaze me when they use the virus/malware as an argument not knowing that it was a myth that MACs are immune from those, there is documented proof otherwise.....if MAC took a large part of the market things would be different.
There were valid reasons I agree, SHITTY OS, SHITTY stability for the part.  Luckily I had the means to buy decent hardware when I began doing audio, video, graphic, edit work.....but had I rewound many many years earlier I would have definitely done that on a MAC.

It's not a mith, for every real mac virus you find there are tousands for windoze, most of which you can avoid with a good antivirus and good IT practices but... most people can't be bottered to learn, my nephew and niece keep my sister's pc flooded with malware, why? Because they just go and download from softonic, softpedia and the like, they navigate and open anything so I have to go to my sister's house every 2-3 months and eliminate about 300 infections, fuck! one time there were over a TOUSAND!

So yes, MAC does help people stay safe from malware, but the cost is prohibitive for most, and even university professors say "why do you have linux on your laptop? Don't you know it's a piece of shit?" True story one of my nephew's professors told him so.  :o

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"Crapple!" LOL! I'm stealing it!
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: Goombert on July 31, 2014, 05:15:07 PM
Quote from: Rusky
But for many people (IT departments, people without the time to learn how to build a PC, experts in other fields that need to do their real jobs, etc) that's not an option, so they pay for having it put together. That applies whether you get a Mac or not, and when you compare a pre-built Mac to a pre-built PC with the same specs, you'll get the same price. When you compare custom-built PC to pre-built Mac with the same specs you'll still get pretty close. In my experience a lot of the savings of building your own PC is from being able to build exactly what you want rather than having to overshoot.

This I actually agree with. Anyway, most of my complaints are about how shitty the design is, I am not arguing customizability or anything, which I still find a valid argument though. Xcode is shit too, I really hate Xcode for reasons Josh pointed out.
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: time-killer-games on July 31, 2014, 07:37:37 PM
square I thought Linux was your personal fuck-buddy! :D
Title: Re: MacOS Counter-intuitive?
Post by: edsquare on July 31, 2014, 10:18:00 PM
square I thought Linux was your personal fuck-buddy! :D

Linus Torvalds you mean? Hell no! If I liked guys he most surely would not be mi type!  ;D