Enigma on other platforms

[gamer freak]

Will Engima be available on platforms other than the PC? (DS, PSP, etc.)

[Josh @ Dreamland]

Wii is the most readily at my disposal. Hopefully DS will follow. For now, the main concern pertains to Windows, Linux, and ideally Mac.

By design, ENIGMA is meant to be able to switch to the appropriate interfaces for additional consoles. Obviously not all functions will work from platform to platform, but hopefully the vast majority will.

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[RetroX]

Maybe eventually 360, because while it's a terrible console, it's almost identical to Windows, as far as programming goes.  As far as an IDE, there likely won't be one besides on that's compiled for PC/Mac OSes.

[Micah]

How is it a terrible console? It seems that you hate everything decent that Microsoft has made just because not everything they make is decent.

[TrieBr]

*sniff*
I smell fanboy.

I would love to have a PSP version of enigma. My second choice would probably be the DS.
Since the Xbox 360 already has XNA which is super easy to use, I do think that other consoles/handhelds should be prioritized before the 360.

[Rusky]

*sniff* I smell uninformed suck-up

He's just pointing out that RetroX has no reason for his position, and that he has long history of this.
And because you're probably going to misunderstand this post too, I'm just pointing out that you are just posting inflammatory crap just to create an image for yourself.

[RetroX]

How is it a terrible console? It seems that you hate everything decent that Microsoft has made just because not everything they make is decent.

The 360 is a terrible console for the reason that almost every game for the 360 is on the PC, 1/5 of the 360s get RRODs, and the fact that most of the games tend to be flat-out boring first-person shooters (and the ones that aren't are on the PS3/Wii, too).

*sniff* I smell uninformed suck-up

He's just pointing out that RetroX has no reason for his position, and that he has long history of this.
And because you're probably going to misunderstand this post too, I'm just pointing out that you are just posting inflammatory crap just to create an image for yourself.

I honestly have no counter-argument, as most of it is true.  But a lot of that could be said about most everyone else, too, despite the fact that I do it more than everyone else.  Also, fyi, I'm not as bad as I was about six months to a year ago.

[Rusky]

RROD is a valid complaint (I haven't seen Wii/PS3 have that kind of trouble), but the games... not so much. It's built to be a gaming platform so the experience on the 360 v. the PC will usually be better. It's also better hardware-wise than the Wii and cheaper than the PS3, so the shared games aren't much of a problem either.

Basically, it doesn't suck.

[RetroX]

It's built to be a gaming platform so the experience on the 360 v. the PC will usually be better.

Depends on the opinion.  Personally, I like the PC gaming experience, better.

It's also better hardware-wise than the Wii and cheaper than the PS3, so the shared games aren't much of a problem either.

A valid point as well, however, the price of XBL makes the price almost not make a difference.

Basically, it doesn't suck.

In my opinion, all of the current consoles suck.
But, if you want to compare:
- Wii has some good games, crap hardware (relatively speaking), and tons of bad games
- PS3 has few games, but most of them are good, and you can use the console for other things than just games
- 360 is just a PC without the PC part and only games, and you have to pay for online; if you really want to use a console instead of a PC for games (and multiplayer on the same console), it is good, but besides that, it doesn't really have any unique aspects

[luiscubal]

There are more consoles than those three but nobody cares about them.
And regarding ENIGMA:

1. Wii has the (unofficial) homebrew channel. Perhaps that'd be a good starting point. I believe there's already an emulator for the Wii. DevKitPro has Gamecube support, which can be run by the Wii.
2. PS3 has (I believe) Linux support, so perhaps it'd be possible to use that. However, I'm not sure it would be acceptable to boot Linux on PS3 every time one wanted to play the game.
3. XBox 360 has XNA which, of all three platforms, is (as far as I know) the only homebrew official solution of all three consoles.
4. Nintendo DS and PSP have DevKitPro. Nintendo DS has a few crappy emulators. I don't know about PSP.

Regarding DevKitPro, it is very similarly configured the way mingw/gcc does, so ENIGMA porting would be easy. Not sure about how legal it is to use it. Is there anyone here who has enough legal knowledge to confirm/disprove my last sentence? I'm also not sure about the legal status of emulators.

[Micah]

Nintendo DS does have a very good emulator, No$GBA. The Wii has Dolphin. I'd say that the Nintendo consoles usually have the best homebrew scene.

The Dreamcast seems to have the best homebrew scene of all time, although not many people have the console.

[RetroX]

If we're talking about homebrew, well, yeah, the Wii wins.  But, this is about official stuff.

Also, handheld != console.

[Micah]

Uh... How is it about official stuff? Josh has been planning to make homebrew Wii and DS support this whole time.

And, handhelds ⊆ consoles.

[Josh @ Dreamland]

Wii is by far the best for developing on. It has an SD card slot, which has already been exploited. At this rate, with permission from the responsible team, I could write a package to an SD card that would boot an ENIGMA game from it automatically, as soon as the SD button was selected from the system menu.

Also, on the subject of being official, it would be nice if that were an option. At one point, Nintendo made a public statement that they had, in so many words, wanted to allow for users to be able to develop for Wii and share games, etc. However, it seems that this was either referring to the Shop Channel scene, where people purchase the API and develop short games for Nintendo to distribute there, or was simply a public relations ploy: an empty promise.

Considering Nintendo has had the audacity to hard-code a check for the Homebrew channel's ID and delete it if found, I'd say they're not open to free homebrew development, and would turn any such proposal down instantly.