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Offline (Male) time-killer-games
Posted on: October 18, 2014, 05:38:31 PM

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I never login as hidden because most people do it for extremely immature reasons and I don't stoop to that level. Why would we even need this? If a user wants to login hidden it clearly demonstrates they have something terribly stupid to "hide". Most cases I can know who it is too, as their posts pop up (and disapear *cough*) out a nowhere when they want me to think they're not logged in, which is kinda stupid and weird.

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Reply #1 Posted on: October 18, 2014, 07:06:45 PM

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If a user wants to login hidden it clearly demonstrates they have something terribly stupid to "hide".

Seriously? You really swallow that bullshit "nothing to hide" propaganda?

The forum offering to not tell anyone that you're online isn't "stupid and weird". It's a privacy feature. A weak privacy feature (it's much better to make yourself anonymous with something like Tor), but a privacy feature nonetheless. The year we don't have privacy because we have "nothing to hide" will be 1984.
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Reply #2 Posted on: October 18, 2014, 08:48:56 PM

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I couldn't care less what you think. From what I've seen from your posts thus far you're always bitching about something stupid which makes it less likely for me to take you seriously. It's still one of the most useless features a forum can have. It's strange. Yes it most definately is stupid. In fact it's so weird it makes my skin crawl. like seriously for one minute think "why?"

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Reply #3 Posted on: October 18, 2014, 09:37:21 PM

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Right, like how it's weird, stupid, and creepy to have curtains on your windows, or how it's weird, stupid, and creepy to have a door to your bathroom, or how it's weird, creepy, and stupid to not have surveillance cameras in your home that broadcast everything you do to the world.
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Reply #4 Posted on: October 18, 2014, 09:52:30 PM

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What's wrong TKG, what's bothering you?
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Reply #5 Posted on: October 18, 2014, 09:57:36 PM
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Time to lose that 'tin-foil hat', TKG.  ;)

So are you suggesting that anyone who browses the forum needs to create an account and log in first (otherwise the forum will not be visible)? That is what the guest account does.

Kind of goes against ENIGMA's open source (open to view) foundations, doesn't it?

Your paranoia is reaching new levels.

You accused myself yesterday of rating your games on GameJolt '1', and then followed up with 'yet another appology PM', after you discovered (yourself), after your usual PM tyrade, that I hadn't even logged in for several weeks.

This crap needs to stop dude. You have allready stalked me out of every internet account I have, Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc...

Although, I am not going to close my YYG Marketplace account any time soon, so please stop contacting me through there also...  ;)

Thank you for reminding me about my GameJolt account though, yet another one I have to close up.  (Y)

LOL - this might explain a couple of things

http://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetails.do;jsessionid=29F8A56C834FC97FF20A1BE6B183FBA3.render6?caseNo=2014CF000925&countyNo=13&cacheId=1BEFB9459F47D2912374C1B424410556&recordCount=12&offset=7&mode=details&submit=View+Case+Details
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Reply #6 Posted on: October 19, 2014, 09:30:49 AM

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If you delete your retarded post again Josh can verify this dumbass quote.

Time to lose that 'tin-foil hat', TKG.  ;)

So are you suggesting that anyone who browses the forum needs to create an account and log in first (otherwise the forum will not be visible)? That is what the guest account does.

Kind of goes against ENIGMA's open source (open to view) foundations, doesn't it?

Your paranoia is reaching new levels.

You accused myself yesterday of rating your games on GameJolt '1', and then followed up with 'yet another appology PM', after you discovered (yourself), after your usual PM tyrade, that I hadn't even logged in for several weeks.

This crap needs to stop dude. You have allready stalked me out of every internet account I have, Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc...

Although, I am not going to close my YYG Marketplace account any time soon, so please stop contacting me through there also...  ;)

Thank you for reminding me about my GameJolt account though, yet another one I have to close up.  (Y)

LOL - this might explain a couple of things

http://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetails.do;jsessionid=29F8A56C834FC97FF20A1BE6B183FBA3.render6?caseNo=2014CF000925&countyNo=13&cacheId=1BEFB9459F47D2912374C1B424410556&recordCount=12&offset=7&mode=details&submit=View+Case+Details

That's exactly my point. If you want to be anonymous, don't log in. That's why the hidden login is so stupid. As if this wasn't obvious.

Wolff, I never stalked any of your stupid social networking accounts. keep dreaming. :P If I did, it was to block you. I don't even go on twitter, forgot my password ages ago but never really cared about it. My Google account I don't use for anything other than uploading to YouTube and none of my friends use Google+ other than for email. I don't even use it for GMail. I don't even know what you look like. That's so lame. If you are going to make up stupid shit please stay out of my topics, xD
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Reply #7 Posted on: October 19, 2014, 12:16:59 PM
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People have the wrong idea on "ANONYMITY"

There is no such thing as having something to hide or hide....but an ILLUSION.

The hide your online presence on forums simply hides your presence from public view......

Administrators can still see you, your IP, even read edited / deleted posts.....What gets "deleted" online never actually gets deleted, and that holds true for forums.....
social media, etc.  I won't state the obvious reasons why it is like that.

There are however some genuine reasons why a person might not want to show their online presence, for the same reasons on IM they can opt to be seen as offline..... privacy, they only want to be seen by a circle of friends, and not be contacted by some random people.  There is a difference between that and anonymity.

and as you said on forums some people think that by hiding their presence they hide everything, not knowing that admins/mods can still see them. Some people DO use the feature for hiding, but little do they know they are not.

People who want 100% anonymity / privacy should unplug a cable called RJ45 and a plug from their 120V (or 240v) receptacle, then you have 100% privacy.

privacy/anonymity ONLINE is just a SCAM.  All those "privacy" policies are fucking rubbish!

That said going back to the topic, since the function has good use, perhaps it should stay, it only hides your online status.....that's about it,  there will always be people using features maliciously, does not mean the others should pay for it, especially when in majority of cases it is used for valid purposes.

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Reply #8 Posted on: October 19, 2014, 01:22:10 PM

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People who want 100% anonymity / privacy should unplug a cable called RJ45 and a plug from their 120V (or 240v) receptacle, then you have 100% privacy.

privacy/anonymity ONLINE is just a SCAM.  All those "privacy" policies are fucking rubbish!

You can just use Tor. Tor hides who you are by routing your requests through several proxies. Also, the Tor Browser Bundle has a minimal fingerprint that isn't useful for unique identification.
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Reply #9 Posted on: October 19, 2014, 01:59:48 PM

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Journalists in hostile environments should just not provide the rest of the world with information.
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Reply #10 Posted on: October 19, 2014, 02:14:34 PM
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People who want 100% anonymity / privacy should unplug a cable called RJ45 and a plug from their 120V (or 240v) receptacle, then you have 100% privacy.

privacy/anonymity ONLINE is just a SCAM.  All those "privacy" policies are fucking rubbish!

You can just use Tor. Tor hides who you are by routing your requests through several proxies. Also, the Tor Browser Bundle has a minimal fingerprint that isn't useful for unique identification.

lol that's extreme.   yeah, TOR, that is what many online scammers use, very popular - otherwise majority of the people who have nothing to hide will not.....it always me laugh some people want privacy this privacy that yet they sign up on every social media - kinda weird ! but anyhow, privacy does not exist anyway, just wait until the mandatory implanting of chips inside your body and its different orifices, then the concept of privacy goes down the toilet :D
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Reply #11 Posted on: October 19, 2014, 03:31:12 PM

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All Tor does is make you anonymous. That's not "extreme".

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just wait until the mandatory implanting of chips inside your body

Don't be silly. No modern policymaker is even proposing that. On the other hand, real-life government surveillance of Internet activities and even, in some countries, surveillance cameras all over the place does exist. Being a defeatist about it doesn't help, though. Internet surveillance can be avoided with Tor or, to a lesser extent, browser extensions that block third-party requests.
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Reply #12 Posted on: October 19, 2014, 03:40:59 PM
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Well I could care less nothing to hide, people who do should stop using computers, problems solved. :D
But someone going through the trouble to using TOR, why ? they want to be anonymous from what exactly ? If one is not doing anything illegal or hiding, why would they go to such extent..... There are valid reasons to hide online status on IM and social media, but let's see now....who is candidate for using such service ?  cyber criminals ? piracy ? sharing sites, etc? otherwise why would your average person just using the internet to relax, socialise etc....use such a thing ? If they bloody wanted privacy in the first place they should do something else :D


We are headed for a world where governments and corporate lobbying will rule everything and everyone, but that's best for another debate/topic...
oh wait my bad.....replace headed with "WE ALREADY ARE" :D

So what did we all learn today kids ?

- If you want privacy, don't use internet.
- if you want to hide and think you are truly hidden, don't use internet.


and yes some of that will be on the test :D

carry on :D
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Reply #13 Posted on: October 21, 2014, 11:09:38 AM

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But someone going through the trouble to using TOR, why ? they want to be anonymous from what exactly ? If one is not doing anything illegal or hiding, why would they go to such extent..... There are valid reasons to hide online status on IM and social media, but let's see now....who is candidate for using such service ?  cyber criminals ? piracy ? sharing sites, etc?

I don't think there's anyone who never does something technically illegal or against some policy. The key problem with mass surveillance is with all activity recorded, if anyone in power wants to retaliate against you for something perfectly legal but disadvantageous to them, they can go back in time and nitpick the little things you did.

Just a common example: jaywalking. It's illegal, but pretty much no one is prosecuted for it. But what if surveillance results in a record of your jaywalking, and you became a problem for a group of politicians? They would be happy to use your jaywalking to indirectly punish you for going against them.

Additionally, there are things that are illegal but not wrong. In some countries, for example, it is illegal to follow or not follow a certain religion. There's also whistleblowing and other important reporting that's technically illegal for one reason or another.
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Reply #14 Posted on: October 21, 2014, 04:38:17 PM

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It's hard to tell if there's any consensus in this topic, so I've started a poll. The poll will only be active for 2 weeks, so please vote while you can.

You can continue to discuss and change your opinions/votes until the poll has concluded, and then the admins will decide if the checkbox stays or goes based on the results.



Admin note: checkbox can be removed from Admin > Configuration > Features and Options > General > Allow non-admin users to hide their online status
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