ENIGMA Development Environment

Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle, you're right.
https://github.com/IsmAvatar/LateralGM/blob/master/.checkstyle

I wonder if it defaults when you open the editor or if it needs configured in Eclipse first like I had to do with the Google styleguide I needed for my other library. If it is the case of the former then that leads me to point out that I don't particularly like this style and I don't think Josh or anyone but IsmAvatar does, but I believe this has been mentioned before. In practice I would rather just keep it what it is then try to change it. However I do feel ENIGMA and LateralGM would benefit further if they used the same styleguide.

Regarding ENIGMA, since Josh works at Google, and the compiler has always been written with that style, I feel as though that's the one we should go with, at least for ENIGMA. The reason being is that Google has the styleguide well defined and you can even download an XML schema file for it to plug into Eclipse or other editors.

Still looking to see what everyone else thinks as I wouldn't want to make contribution difficult for everyone, I think this would actually make it easier and it's bugging me to the point I may check out the latest ENIGMA and clean it up if we can all decide. I am looking basically to get everyone's approval to enforce it since it seems egofree is comfortable with it, I am comfortable with it, and so is Josh. Using style formatters is not difficult but my only wish is that Josh would have sat me down and made me think about it before letting me contribute instead of just letting me ignore it. Anyway, most projects adhere to a styleguide at least to some degree, but ENIGMA straight up has nothing to the point the code is a complete mess, at the very least we need to define the indentation style.

I've got the solution to your temporary problems ego. Also I'm going to follow up with a private message to you to let you know what else I've been working on.

I can be less dirty, but I don't think it needs a billion features. Just make it load and compile egm. Compilation is done trough makefile flags anyway. The only thing CLI actually does is it parses EDL and then adds resources to the compiled exe.

Not so much about it being dirty as it is about making it long lasting, etc. Josh's library has something to do with parsing command line flags, you should ask him about it.

It doesn't matter that much how it is saved inside egm as we can create the resource tree from a description file of some sort.

No I hate that, Josh doesn't like it either. The directory structure is already there. From a design perspective it should definitely be imposed by the IDE or the model's "view" as in MVC. A lot of IDE's also automatically sort your tree in alphabetical order and don't even give you an option.

And the bugs that threw exceptions are now gone. I only have LGM freezes and crashes without any kind of exception or error message.

I know I agree, I'm just saying that dialog was one of the greatest things that ever happened to LGM, it's one of my favorites actually. Probably my most proud accomplishment and the greatest thing about using Java as we almost 99% of the time know exactly what's causing an error, except the rare JNA cases where it gets mixed with native code.

Well, the 'official' version of LateralGM available now on Github uses 'your' version of Joshedit, with pull requests not accepted by Josh. So it's not only about constants. Try to get LateralGM and Joshedit from Github and you will see it not will compile.

Taken care of, I've uploaded my last fork of LGM. I had this local on my disk and it's the last version I worked and I haven't touched it for a year. I uploaded it to ENIGMA's dropbox account. I tested it in Eclipse just now and it builds fine with JoshEdit, no need to check anything out, just import to your workspace. However I likely patched around shit waiting for Josh to merge my PR's which is something else I want to get to next.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gefgz1p286uw6e5/lateralgmlastcheckout.zip?dl=0

Edit: I have no idea where to put this, but please continue to maintain the list of links for LGM's old revisions. These are good when people need to downgrade Studio projects or import corrupted GMK's etc.
http://enigma-dev.org/docs/Wiki/LateralGM:_Revisions

9 Months ago, i told you about the problems with Joshedit and you told me that you were too busy to fix it. That didn't prevent you to start DockFX. Of course, everybody has his own life, and Enigma is a free and open-source project, so nobody has to work on this project, but at least if you had time to do DockFX, you could have take time to fix your problems before leaving it, even if you were not motivated anymore by this project. To leave modifications in a open-source project with compile errors is not professional and don't show respect for other developers. If you really didn't have time to finish your work (i doubt it as you started DockFX), at least you could have reverted your changes in LateralGM. You left the problems with Joshedit but also reading of egm files broken ! At the same time to finish on a positive note about you, you made also an outstanding work on this project and an excellent support on this forum, and i thanked you several times about this.

You're probably right, that's why I'm not pointing any fingers. But also at the same time what am I supposed to do when Josh is working and doesn't have time to clean it up and merge it or explain what he's looking for to me? Nothing so I just get the "fuck it anyway" attitude. So I blame all of us. I <3 you guys, but I totally don't want to work on LateralGM.

Also i worked hard last year to add multi-selection, and in the in end, they were never available to anyone, except on github. So i worked for nothing.

I don't think this is true I could have swore in the post where I was updating LGM's status last including the resource searching functionality that I had released a version with this included. I am pretty certain that is the case, if not, fuck, whatever, blame me I guess.

We could of done that, but as I lost interest in GM years ago I didn't do it myself. I have moved on from GM8.1 or any kind of GM at least 3 years ago when I started adding totally new stuff to ENIGMA. And I do it constantly now too. You can still remove all the non-GM stuff easily though as nothing there should be very integral to ENIGMA engine.

In the end nobody seems to be interested by LateralGM anymore. That's too bad, because except of the instability problem in the plugin, i feel LateralGM is not bad at all.

These two are related, I agree with both of you. A little less Harri, because it's not so much that the other changes aren't good. It's just that I've seen a lot of people recommending LGM when Studio fails to import projects. GM8.1 and lower was like the best thing we ever had, Studio was crap, and that's why we never supported a lot of it including the ds accessors like mymap[?5] and mylist[%3] which are just downright absurd for any programming language.

I'm just saying, hey guys, there's quite a bit of people that could use LGM for a while into the future. I think it may not be too late to split LateralGM in two with a version for only 8.1 and lower, but I don't recommend you try to follow through on this.

Another thing to look at might be really the CLI way. It might actually be easier to have that up and running the fixing a plugin that uses JNA. But anything is better than just watching LGM burn every time you open it.

I'll prod Josh tonight about it if he's around.

Robert, I don't see how that is Ego's problem. If JoshEdit doesn't work because it was left in unfinished state, then it's a problem there.

Yes that was incorrect, I did not mean it the way you interpreted it, I meant that is where the source of the problem is. This is not his fault even remotely.

Edit: After further review I believe I originally meant that it should be building but I couldn't recall the specific details of whether I had made additional changes. Thus why I said "I was going to say that is your problem" instead of saying "That is your problem", you see the difference?

Anyway I would fix this but right now I'm starting another full-time semester plus these other projects I am working on like DockFX is too much to do. To think about working on LateralGM right now with all the outstanding issues just makes me want to cry. I don't even have the time to be here, I have to finish finding my books online or purchasing them and get started reading.

I'm getting so tired of this half-ass "add a broken feature and forget it" kind of work ethic.

That was where I last left off, I don't recall leaving anything else in such an unusable state beside constants, which also occurred around the same time I started to become unmotivated.

Here's what happened:
* Josh insisted I set up LateralGM to pull JoshEdit directly.
* I did that and moved several of the changes I made into separate pull requests. I didn't know how to use a styleguide then and Josh was busy with work and couldn't take the time to sit down and do it the way he wanted it.
* I gave up on Josh's intent to pull JoshEdit directly upon checking out LateralGM and continued to make additional changes LateralGM side. However they were only a few lines, it really shouldn't be that difficult to get the latest JoshEdit working with the PR's applied.
* I gave up on LateralGM for a while chosing instead to focus on my studies. Made an improved release of JEIE and then decided to focus on nothing but my studies.

It's been two years since I've been able to do a git pull and compile a game on Linux. That's why all our other Linux users either maintained their own forks (as DarkAceZ did, and he was 14 fucking years old at the time), or left (as most others did).

Nope, you just did that game for 64digits in 2014 and iirc you applied a patch somewhere I thought.

Also I've just been kind of mellowing out and hoping ENIGMA's problems will just go away. Personally I wish we would have done GM8.1 compatibility as best as could be done and left it at that and not touched the source any further because I think we were getting really good and stable for a while. And then forked ENIGMA and LateralGM for any Studio functionality, that's what I wish we would have done but at this point I refuse to remove any GMK or GM6 support from LateralGM. I'd rather fork the IDE and stick with a GM: Studio compatible version only but then GMX doesn't even have a version number so what's the point. I don't even have any interest in developing an IDE for that program.

Yes Harri listen to Rusky, the debugging symbols/huffman codes are not my doing, it's Java's doing.

It looks like a pretty straight 1 to 1 correspondence with the ENIGMA/GameMaker version. I am really interested in JS now too and I'd like to share my prototypes with you too egofree but now's not the time. Also your game loads pretty fast too, not bad at all!

@ShadowMan, my favorite always has been and always will be when I first learned you could get to Yoshi in SM64. Always one of those rumors when I was a kid but when I actually found out it was true unlike all the other rumors.... yeah.

This isn't as big of a problem you put it to be. First, Windows 10 finally has a built-in package manager, so looking forward to that. Second, there really isn't that big of an issue of providing mingw in an installer together with "Additional". I think the current method works quite good.

I've seen it already and I don't think I care, it will take some time for it to take effect either way. I really would just rather use Linux which solved all of these problems a long time ago. I don't switch to Linux full time because I really do need things like Word which does happen to be more reliable than Google Doc's or Open/Libre Office. While I may be exaggerating the problems they are very real and I think you are undervaluing them. There are a large number of complaints about C++ but most of them Bjarne Stroustrup dismisses except for a standardized ABI. I don't mind coding in C++ at all and I did make a number of substantial improvements to ENIGMA's engine including starting that model class (though I've learned much more C++ since then) but this really turns me off from trying to build cross-platform applications or applications to be distributed in the language.
http://www.stroustrup.com/slashdot_interview.html

The compatibility with C at the system interface level has encouraged people to use C-style strings, arrays, and structs, where they would have been better off with some higher-level abstractions presented as classes or templates. Instead of leaving the low-level facilities at the system level and within the implementations of classes, people have let the low-level constructs - and pointers to them - permeate their designs. Type errors, wild pointers, array bounds errors, and memory leaks are the obvious results. Lots of macros and casts often adds to the obscurity of the code. It saddens me to see some of the unnecessary messes people get themselves into.

This is why I still really honestly like Java besides its amazing new MVC GUI API called JavaFX (which I am building some of my prototypes in). Java is still amazing in that you can generally build quick cross-platform applications, build them once, and deploy anywhere. This idiom only gets broken when you try to mix it with native code like ENIGMA which really sucks, it is the lowest common denominator, and gives you the benefits of neither Java nor C++. Regardless I agree with Mr. Stroustrup 100% on everything he's said there.

I'm willing to do that. I think you even posted some tutorial or something how you did it, so if you could link it then I will start doing it. Internet isn't a problem where I live and 100mb's is really not an issue speed wise. Only need to find a good place to host - I think hosting on Dropbox isn't the best way. Maybe we have a way to host on ENIGMA's website? I don't know how much space we have though, Josh should know.

The topic is pinned in "General ENIGMA" and I would appreciate it if someone else would build the ZIP occasionally. Josh could obviously give you FTP access to the server but I've just realized that we could just upload these to GitHub directly if Josh enables it on the repository. He does it this way for Calico (click "Releases"). I think we should upload the ENIGMA binary releases directly to GitHub since that is a standard/more common approach.
https://github.com/enigma-dev/Calico-Icon
http://enigma-dev.org/forums/index.php?topic=1399.0

I can compile ENIGMA (the plugin) on 64bit, but of course the LGM stuff needs to be changed too in that case.

That would be great as well because then users would at least be able to download a 32bit and 64bit version of ENIGMA and they wouldn't have to specifically install a 32 JDK/Java. You would have to recompile all of ENIGMA's plugins though and I also think you need to replace the jna.jar with the 64bit version. I hit too many errors and incompatibilities between MinGW64 and 32 and finally just gave up on packing it. It's sitting on my desktop and was the last thing I was trying to accomplish before I stopped contributing for this period of time. Largely because of my poor internet, if someone else were to begin packing the zip or just taking care of it instead of me by some standard/methodical approach as I did before it would make it easier for me to contribute to ENIGMA again in the future. I am actually mainly still interested in LateralGM's development so if I could maintain improvements and bugfixes to that and delegate the ENIGMA matters to someone else (regarding packaging LGM and everything) it would be a lot of work off my plate and free me up for more contributions to LGM.

In my honest opinion I still like ENIGMA on Linux because it just uses the package manager, you install the necessary components one time and then ENIGMA just works. You can easily replace the lateralgm.jar and the entire ENIGMA framework just as it is expected.

Yeah, finish the CLI would be a good start. I think the only big thing missing there is rasterization of fonts? All the other things are either done or should be easy.

Yes that is one thing that it needs but it is debatable whether the ENIGMA engine should provide such functionality as well, perhaps through a plugin because GM does have functions to add fonts at runtime that we never implemented and I believe Studio added TTF font support or w/e.

@BPzeBanshee

Yes calm down TKG, you're being eccentric. You know some of the prototypes I've been working on and one of them is about to be released open source in a few days. It is a library that is a necessary component to bigger things I am developing and are ENIGMA related.