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If you hurry, you can get it on a VR platform that hasn't been bought by Facebook, before they expose the public to something that ruins all of VR for them. Maybe you can prevent disaster.

I'm guessing you are not a fan of FACEBOOK.



The last thing they haven't acquired is the air we breath.

Darkstar I love you man but he basically wanted you to stop and you're still not doing it. Chill bro.

Did he ASK ?   Also don't put words in my mouth, I never said drugs and drunks are worse than pedophiles...... I said DRUGS are a big problem in society and majority of crimes committed evolve around organised crime industry and gangs, and you and him are smart enough to know that drugs is the center of those crimes.

Also I seem to recall that I did not start the religious debate / topic, in fact I have not discussed such topics in years, only responded since people here have open mind and smart.

He said he was not going to respond, he did not ASK me to stop.

This is a public forum where anything can be discussed.

I would like to remind the OP or anybody that if you don't want a topic to continue to be discussed LOCK IT.  At the bottom you will see an option LOCK TOPIC, only the topic starter can lock topics, and of course an administrator.

I've locked topics before because they were getting out of control.

The LOCKING topic feature is available to every member.  USE it....it's better than "ASKING" or "DEMANDING" that people stop.....

Also if people are offended and not open to debate, they should be careful the type of topics they open......This is just a general comment not aimed at anybody in particular......if you can't take the heat, don't start the fire.

On that note, cheers.

If only this long debate and flame only reinforces my beliefs .... thanks.

I too will not be responding to religious type posts in this topic.  Still open to discuss this with anybody who wishes, but don't start topics if you can't handle the discussion or
make it clear from the start what you want and don't want to discuss.

Whatever trauma you had as a child or an adult in relation to priests or religion I am sorry, you must have gone through something really serious I can feel it in your posts, maybe I'm wrong, but it's just an instinct.  I guess a forum might not be the place to discuss these things if they are sensitive in nature.

Peace out.

Exactly, I've never done any drug and yet I really think it should be legal to buy them and do them, we already allow two legal drugs (tobacco and alcohol).

I have never done drugs either, I don't think it is right to do drugs.  WHY ? because not only you are putting your life in danger, but the life of others in danger !  I have seen and heard about many vicious violent crimes, in majority of the cases they are drug related. FUCK drugs.  I'm ok for its medical use, under a controlled environment, but allowing everyone to stone themselves, you can imagine what kind of society that makes.  People who have kids and want them to play outside or if you want to get out of the house you want to feel safe, not fear someone will kill you because they were under the influence of a drug and did not know what they were doing, then get away with it and plead insanity and avoid jail ! makes me fucking sick.

Also mate, alcohol is NOT drugs.  That would be comparing apples and oranges.  Sure alcohol can also be used wrong and you can take the life of someone through drunk driving, BUT.....DRUG is a bigger problem anyway, many people have screwed their lives from drugs and their brains.

Also drinking, or doing pot and being promiscuous is, in no way, equal to being a rapist pedophile, a murderer, a

Nobody claimed otherwise.   However remove the drug cartel industry and you eliminated 95% world crimes.  Here, nearly 99% of crimes involve drug transaction gone wrong, money/drugs, there is always a connection drugs.

Anyhow if you got to know me in real life you'd see religion and God are the last topics I discuss, I only discussed this here since the topic was brought up by someone else, otherwise I have not discussed religion or God in ages.......

As far as games I am extremely busy and flooded, barely sleep.  I have too much on my plate, I have a few submissions I would like to do with LGM and ENIGMA, working on some native C++ application and projects I am writing straight in C++ and will use this in my projects/games directly and have them integrated to ENIGMA if accepted...
 and want to get some breather and really get into gaming and doing weird stuff too

Of course it will run on a virtual reality headset in a full-body haptic suit, right?

LOL !!!  Comment of the day !

Most likely yes, but even if science ends up saying we don't know, that's not a reason to jump and say aliens!

Not everyone is "jumping", only a certain group of people who are preaching alien beings and other stuff   However since ends up saying they don't know but that does not mean they can't entertain the possibility....  There is no proof of a God or aliens, but there is also no proof of the non existence and since humans are hard wired to only believe in what they see, I guess one can take the easy way and assume nothing exists, even if science cannot explain it. 

Do you know eds that the US spends billions of $ yearly in search for other life and other planets, whilst people are fucking dying and starving to death ?  Guess if that is not proof enough science is interested in finding out and entertaining the POSSIBILITY, then what more proof do you need...... I'm sure science knows MORE than it lets out, but keeps it classified for political and financial reasons and population control.  I do firmly believe we have cures for many diseases that currently cannot be cured, but some cures are being blocked. 

There has never been a demonstrated case of someone having no brain activity (Brain death) and comming back to life,

Very wrong on that one, it is documented.

Clinically dead is no heart beat and no brain activity.  Not ALL cases report NDEs, but out of all the reported NDEs cases they all share the same thing in common.  Maybe medicine can explain the tunnel visions and lights, but they have yet to explain how people manage to see and hear above their body what is going on in the ER and other rooms.  That cannot be explained by chemical reactions or brain cells dying off / firing off at the time of death.

Maybe because that exact experiences can and have been recreated in a lab by stimulating the right frontal lobe of the brain with magnetism, and the people see god, a tunel, a bright light, and even aliens, depending on their beliefs.

EXACTLY, good you have been doing your homework   They have recreated only PART of what people report from an NDE, but they have yet to recreate or explain how people managed to SEE and recall what was going on above their bodies, and the conversations / seeing across rooms.

As far as the recreation in a lab, this I believe is what's behind the theory that we have a "God" part of our brain responsible for our beliefs and the euphoria we feel/see at the moment of death as a coping mechanism to death.  But NDE is more than just tunnels and seeing lights, and those events can be recreated providing brain activity is present.  otherwise people are experiencing these at the flatline/brain dead stage as in absence of electrical activity and a hear beat you are clinically dead.

How did life start? since the hypothesis of chemicals forming polymeres until those same polymers could replicated themselves hasn't been sufficiently investigated

Right, so what created those alleged chemical forming polymers ?   What created the creator ?  These are questions that we will never be able to answer.
But it's far easier for the human brain to process that NOTHING exists, we are the only one and everything outside us is void.....than process a bunch of theories.  The brain will always choose the easy path

These two things are over 90% of the known universe, so we as a species know didly squat about 90% of the cosmos, and yet there's no reason to shout: The scientists dont know? God did it!

Well we can both agree that humans didn't create the black matter, stars, other planets, meteors and all that is happening in outerspace......So who the bloody hell did then ?  We can sit all nite and say that this does not mean a God exists, but then WHO/WHAT created this ?  It's hard for a human brain to grasp that something has always existed and never been "created".
So who created the sun ? who created the moon ?  BIG BANG ? So who created the big bang, and who created the thing that created the thing that lead to the alleged big bang ?
Who created the emptiness before all things started ?

HUMANS

the more we know about the universe the more small and unnecessary he becomes.

Really because unless proven otherwise we still don't have answers to most of the important things.  I mean all we hear from NASA is discovering new planets, new galaxies with gay names, and earth like planets....and they starting to claim we might not be alone....Gee thanks NASA, we pay you billions of $ to tell us something we already bloody knew   So if we are the only living beings in the entire space carrying universes and galaxies, what the hell is the purpose of other planets then ? Just for show ? So it was just a COINCIDENCE that 2 rocks collided and boom, a universe, galaxies, planets, life ?
Science knows fuck all about this shite, it's all based on assumptions/speculations and seeking of proof, which they will never get or if they do they will keep it classified and lie to the population......as I think they are right now.

Some people? In my humble opinion all organized religion is a scam (note the word organized? it means the institutions and their employes, not the believer)

That is in sync with what I was saying....But the "believers" are not part of this mess.  It's the way religion has been commercialised..... but I again, religion != God...  Religion is a creation of man kind and inherits its flaws with it.

Documented by science? where? Child prodigys do exist, and so do savants (people with severe authism that are geniouses in some field without studying), but this doesn't prove god nor the aliens.

lol did not mention about Aliens....... But entertain the possibility we are more than just physical bodies and electrical impulses.
otherwise science cannot explain those child prodigies and people who seem to "know" without having learned.  What about people knowing stuff from regressive hypnosis they never could have possibly known.

I do believe there is more to it than physical bodies.  We are physical but we are also energy.  now don't attribute everything I say to God or Aliens  

There has been studies made where plants, flowers, etc, growing around an environment where love is present, to grow faster and healthier, whereas negative would have the opposite effect on plants.....etc.  In fact science is studying many different aspects but has yet to explain how certain mechanisms work.  Science claims we only use a % of our brain.  What about people who have amazing abilities, they might be using the rest or only a few % more, but what about the 70-80% not accounted for........This shows you that science has a long ways to go to fully explain the human body.

People recovering from terminal illness, yes I know it does happen, you sure you want to make the case for god based in that?

No, I did not say that, but that we might not be alone and that there is something beyond our physical world and level of comprehension.   Might have nothing to do with a God or aliens......I did not imply that.
I do still believe in a God/Supreme creator but ALSO believe there is more to our physical bodies.  LIFE itself HAS to have some meaning, otherwise why the hell do we exist in the first place........ALL this for nothing ?

Why doesn't he heal then all the babies and children? I'm sure their parents can be teached whatever important lesson in other less painful ways.

Good question.  Why can't we all love each other, why can't we NEVER have diseases, why can't we all sing and dance and party and never fight and all be happy on earth........    Perhaps it would negate the purpose of life.  No answer to your question, why this and why that.......Why can't God stop the tornados and hurricanes, why can't God catch you if you decide to jump from the ledge Fuck if I knew, I dunno, and nobody will ever know.  if there was a God or supreme being, it would not run on dictatorship but allow free will and not intervene.  Should the definition of GOD = constant interventions  
That is RELIGION territory and that is where man kind carved religion and all the rubbish surrounding it, what you refer to a SCAM, which it is.

FUNNY, now you are quoting scientific hypothesis (the multiverse, the permanent universe, panspermia, among others)

I was just messing with you I'd figure you'd enjoy that part..... I'm just as human as you are mate

As far as parallel universe, shadow universe, multi dimensions, etc to be honest I am on the fence about that .......I'd LOVE to entertain the possibility of me existing in parallel in different planes, experiencing a different outcome.......Note the word "entertain"..... So I might be eating a pizza on this earth and on some other dimension where I also exist, be eating a big hamburger.  Please note this has nothing to do with God or aliens now.  As far as aliens, again, on the fence on that one.
Where my beliefs are strong is that we are more than physical bodies and that all this space containing life form and energy has a creator.   Maybe Elvis did it ! 

Warp holes, if I understood that book about quantum physics correctly, are indeed possible, not sure how likely but possible yes.

Sorry I meant black holes.  Everything around it is sucked in, but where does it go to, does it just disintegrate ? 

Time travel is possible, yes science tells us that, it's only impraticable by us in the current state of our knowledge,

One thing that is puzzling to me, what we call "TIME" again is something man made, as there is no "TIME" as we know it so could this explain that past-present-future exists simultaneously hence, explain why we can "travel" this "timeline" otherwise if time did exist, wouldn't that negate time travel as events have to come to pass in order to go back in time..... But that is good for another topic though..... These are the type of topics I really like to discuss.

We are not alone... If you mean aliens do exist, yes is so probable that it's almost a certanty, do they visit earth? I don't think so:

They do, they are evil and they are what we call "politicians" lol!

So I see you studied quantum physics and astronomy that's good that you did your homework.   

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Another thing people don't discuss much about is the environment you were brought up and around you, that has an influence as well. 

That is why more non-western countries need to be additionally examined. But the point is that in 2009 study US only 4% were without belief in general population, but 41% in science. That is a great difference that cannot in fact be explained by family's or places the person grow up in. That is the point all those studies try to make and figure out. (http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/)

Of course lol "science".  Are you surprised?

People who study the field will use science to try and find any logical explanation behind everything even if there is no concrete explanation.

You are sitting down watching the tely and all of a sudden you notice a shimmering white lite hovering across the room and zipping through your window.

Sure there must be a scientific explanation......

Or doctor who treats a patient in the ER, patient flatlines, no brain activity, for several minutes.  Patient is revived and recalls the entire conversation with 100% accuracy amongst doctors, but also doctors in other rooms - SURE.....I guess there must be a logical explanation right, brain was dead during that time, no electrical activity whatsoever.

I think out of the percentage of non believers in science there could be the "I-don't-wanna-be-crazy" syndrome, where people deny and don't WANT to believe by fear of persecution by others.

SO instead they will compensate with scientific explanations even though they are not facts or proven !  i.e. oh it was just brain cells firing or chemical reaction at moment of death (even though they know no activity was shown!).

People make science as absolute, when science only has answers to a fraction of questions.  Still science cannot explain 100% of our brain function, still don't know why certain things occur, etc.  MANY things science cannot explain.

Another problem that is making non believers is hoaxes and charlatanism, some people are using religion as a propaganda tool and making it an industry full of hoax and scams.

Now in medical science, there is a specific area of interest, our "God" part of our brain. It is believed that we are hard wired, and that belief in a God/Supreme being is the result of that area in our brain.  STILL does not explain all the mysteries - how come some people all of a sudden can heal of terminal illness that otherwise would be impossible / unlikely in medicine.....where illness has gone and vanished as if it were never there.  How to explain that some people have amazing abilities / talents so young in age and seem to have knowledge of things they never could possibly have known, through regressive hypnosis.  All these cases are documented by science yet still cannot be explained.

On that note,
Cheers.

What a load of horse fucking manure.

Would someone with faith and beliefs necessarily be uneducated and less so than others ? that is most fucked up thing I read in a while, I'd love to see those studies and any credibility they have and the sample data they used.........  Some of the world's most vicious terro***ts (had to * to avoid tripping NSA flags ) and fanatic religious person have continued their education and university grads with masters.  Do I need to cite some examples ?

There are many people who hold PhDs and Doctorates, who have faith and religious beliefs, they do well for themselves.  Some of you still are obsessed with this !  There are big differences between have religious beliefs / faith and fanaticism, or people trying to push their shite and convert others.  Maybe such a theory would hold some truth for that category.  Not everyone with a masters degree is an atheist and not everyone who believes in God is a welfare hoarding motherfucker without an education.

Perhaps whoever came up with this fucked up the arsehole theory must have thought that the education system brainwashes people into thinking science is absolute, that it has answers to everything, since it is part of a multi trillion $ industry and corruption, people thinking outside the box are deemed crazy.  There are many things beyond our comprehension that science cannot explain, paranormal in nature, lots that the NASA and military is not telling people and classify that info.  Many of these have a University education.

I see that a lot I mean have not come across more university students that have beliefs than those atheist should I go tell them ,hey come the fuck come you are in univeristy, you are supposed to be a dumb git because you have beliefs.

Man created religion.......and the same man kind also created retarded stereotypes. 

You are on a roll, indeed what you are suggesting would be great.  Also if you want TKG to worship you you might want to add object rotation, scaling and selection as in GMS. 

BTW are you doing all this through JAVA or C++ to JAVA conversion ?

I'm not familiar with JAVA to make significant changes in LGM.