ENIGMA Development Environment

Expect something like that no matter what, on any community.  You have your die-hard fanboys, competition and others. To me this is a comment of a hardcore GM fanboy who is attached to the product. Who has made quick judgement on the surface and only decided to tune in to the negative aspect.

A forum is by all means not representative of a product necessarily.  I am a user of many products and yet I don't participate in their forums, but their forums is quite a mess and full of hate, etc......yet the product is good.  So this could apply. I think ENIGMA has a specific market, it's a work in progress, and might turn off many people, especially those who are not willing to work around things, learn about code, etc.

Some RANDOM person showing up and bashing you, you got to then turn around and ask them if they actually used the product and how can it be made better....
You got to ask them to evaluate the number of updates and fixes and the fact developers actually discuss and listen to their users vs. another company they so defend.....

On the topic of forums, yes I do believe every forum should have rules to some extent.  I also believe a forum should have dedicated sections to talk about general or other stuff, like any forum, and perhaps a sub forum not visible to new users or unregistered viewers, available to developers or long time users/posters, etc.
I don't believe in censorship, just common sense. 

As far as hate - that is censorship territory, but again ti depends on the context..... You have 2 types of people,

1) Those who make personal attacks, hate others, insults, discredit and only spend their time degrading people, particularly newbies,etc... Sounds familiar ? Only  recently some people were called out by name on the GMC.......

2) Those who constantly complain and hate yet offer no arguments.  Mostly one liners and such...... IN a forum you need a blend of good and bad, but to some extent the bad can be helpful - if hate about something is backed up with arguments as to WHY a user hates something and provide something reasonable and factual.

3) Sub forums - dedicated forums on the product itself and only that and other sub forums on general discussion...... Nobody should be turned off if visiting the right forums........they should not visit non product related forums otherwise, or they would have no right to "complain" about a community and should go elsewhere.
So yes the PRODUCT itself and its forums related to such, should be attractive, professional and respectful. Obviously you are not going to post about your exploits and encounters inside a programming forum......

Should forums have rules ? YES.  It's good for its owners and users.
Should forums be moderated ? YES. (Note, there is a difference between moderation and censorship).
Should some forum areas be invisible to non members or new members ? YES ! YES! YES!  (meaning non product related areas).

And finally, I think most forums should add this disclaimer, I know I would on mine.
"The comments posted on this forum are those of their respective authors and do not necessarily represent the views of ENIGMA developers".

As to onpon:  Are you offended by the term "GayMaka Stupido" because you don't like these terms used OR you are a fan of GameMaker Studio ?" The first time I ever heard this was years ago, from an actual GM user, employing those terms.... The same way some people on the other side used "creative" terms to describe ENIGMA

Personally I don't judge a product by its forum.  When I joined the forum it was in the middle of flame wars between developers and some users.....But I saw potential in the product.  I guess I can see why some skeptics or die hard fans of GM would think the way they do.... One would really need solid intentions for something new to make the move, but most people don't probably realise that the product is so similar....... (by looks)

This is where closed areas would benefit.  Also I agree with you to SOME extent, I think racism, slurs, homophobia and crude language should be left off the source code...... It is not a requirement to be a forum member to use ENIGMA.....So at least keeping the source code free of such AND the documentation / site itself.
Fact is Robert and company have done more to an open source project recently than YYG has done in an extended period of time fixing stuff, breaking stuff, changing their mind etc.....  I guess some people have ways of expressing themselves

I agree, TKG is pretty good about bringing out very polished games relatively fast.

Polished and shiny you could eat off the floors But I was kinda hoping for more than 2 minute game play

So did you finish the game / escape ?

Having completed it I know for sure, 100%, this can be done in ENIGMA from scratch.....perfect examples of games that could be done in ENIGMA, with potential of adding pre-rendered CG, video and advanced features you see in commercial games.

Now those are some mighty big shoes to fill, I'm not sure I'd be up for the challenge. I can and will collaborate with the project but I doubt anybody would be onboard with me leadding, especially since I would drop GM compatibility so fast you couldn't see it happen, and also I would go for a compiled IDE.

You'd get my 100% support on this one, and I'm sure many here would do the same.  Providing the program is feature rich (equal or better), properly documented function, easy/fast, it would be great.  The only people who will disagree are those who want to port their games or don't realise the downfall of such compatibility

If you really believe that ENIGMA will be obsolete in 4 years you should drop it now 

Why not enjoy the good days whilst they last. In 4 years we'll be shitting in smart toilets, have smart toaster ovens, smart door knobs, smart everything.....lot of things will be obsolete, including desktop, PCs, CPU architecture as we know it, lots will change....Mighty ENIGMA would be running in "EMULATION" mode....People will be too busy with SHITTY apps and mobility to care about desktop game dev tools........

Or perhaps in 4 years it will be called ENIGMA Cloud.....Since everything will reside on the cloud, your OS, your applications, etc. Welcome to the tyranny of technology, the sham to come, where people will be controlled and no longer have a choice......BIG brother will be watching, and you won't have ANYMORE liberties, not even to piss.

So enjoy your 4 years, you will probably need another 4 to get up to date with new technology, new CPU architecture and re-learn everything. If you don't believe me of what's to come is DIRE,
then look up remote viewing, I've done it and I don't see people using windows desktops in that time span.......Just look at smart watches, it's only the beginning of craziness.



 

TKG, as I sent you in PM I guess that explains why I had problems with your game, the portion where I had to pick up items was cut off, your game area was not scaled properly to the display resolution I was using.....which was solved when I set my screen to full native mode......and all this bloody time I was struggling

Yeah he makes games, shiny floors and walls too, that takes skill and creativity....not a given, he's smarter than he gives himself credit though.....game developer, music composer, etc. he might have a future in film making

I read LoneWolf (Jason Soup Campbell) review, hey at least he made constructive criticism, maybe his intentions were to actually help, nice report he made, he could have just said "it sucks" or one liner but he gave lots of feedback.  But he gave you one star, that was harsh 

I think you had every reason to be suspicious of him, don't feel bad about it, him coming here asking about the video and suddenly vanishing, deleting his account and all posts, that would strike as highly suspicious, so is selling a video extension for $999, I mean Christ, he sure didn't defend himself or deny anything other than delete his accounts and vanish.
So don't feel bad.  As long as his review is FACTUAL, what he claims was true, you can't really have it removed, you can consider it constructive criticism - that's to be expected in a market place - some people will maliciously down rate you, others will back up their claims, though I don't think you both will kiss and make out anytime soon though, but fuck it, you are better than him, he had us all fooled here and let's leave it at that.

Cheers

hmm, you think I will lose my sanity playing this ?   (scratch that, I actually have  ! now I'm going to be having dreams about this

Yeah I am bloody stuck....I won't give away solutions or what exactly I did not to spoil it, but I am stuck somewhere.  Really tried everything...... But I was informed by TKG that I have SKILLZ for going that far.........Thanks TKG, means a lot ! 

lol - you have a nice way of marketing your products....unusual but unique, (i.e. you mention on your site about it being a point and click piece of turd, etc.)   Well, it is better than most of the crap people make ... but it's inspiring, this way people cannot make negative comments without you saying "hey I told you so!" 

Would be a great game to be done in actual 3D (FPS).......
Though I like the idea of point and click, this is something I want to get into when and if I have time, I had started working on a P&C engine a while back but lacked time.

BTW, that 2nd screen shot, those 3 things, red, green, blue, look like giant dildos.........

I can't, the order is established by the University not by me.

They leave the best for last !

EDIT: What in sam's hill is CSE? And I didn't put them in the order I'll be

Computer Science & Engineering